No Deal and supply of medicines

we will not be part of the EU nuclear programme - this is not about 'mere' transport!

Just remind me, they have been invented haven’t they Grannygravy?

Planes jura!!

What about cancer treatment isotopes?

If it does turn out to be no deal essential supplies will have to be kept moving and there will be a priority system for food and medicine. If needed medicine can be flown in, the RAF has plenty of transport planes, military help will be organized to ensure essentials are available but that does not mean everything will be available, the big problem is goods that come through Dover.

I thought that what he actually said was that he can't guarantee that no-one would die - well, if he had replied that he did guarantee that no-one would die he would just be putting his head into a noose, wouldn't he? Imagine the uproar if he had said that, the accusations of arrogant unthinking optimism!

Hancock has admitted that people will die unnecessarily if there is a no deal.
Is that worth it ? I think not however small the number might be. To know that and forge ahead is a disgrace.

"May reveals the insulin she uses to treat her diabetes comes from Denmark as she says she recognises patients' Brexit medicine fears"

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6396999/May-reveals-insulin-uses-treat-diabetes-comes-Denmark.html

The Director of the Wellcome Foundation has issued a stark warning about the dagers of a no-deal brexit.

No-deal Brexit would stall the NHS medical revolution

For a generation, the UK has been an attractive place to collaborate and invest in science

A no-deal Brexit outcome would be hugely damaging to patients and research collaborations across Europe.

The Wellcome Foundation, both politically and financially independent, wants to support scientists and researchers, wherever they are from, to tackle the greatest global health challenges. We have invested in the UK for more than 80 years. It has provided an environment in which science and innovation can thrive, but if the conditions and the culture here are damaged, that will affect our support. It is not unconditional.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/sep/30/no-deal-brexit-would-stall-nhs-medical-revolution

In the supply of medications, the medical profession will be reliant on continued frictionless transport services through the ports whether that be rail air or sea.

In the above, those medical supplies come from many different sources on many different logistic services both into and out of this country. Therefore, If there were to be disruption through the ports, then a central authority would need to be in place to coordinate all the present operations that are involved with the transport of medical supplies across Europe into single central operation, which would be a major task requiring much planning.

However, no such planning it would seem is in place according to the government "technical notices" distributed to the transport industry. Indeed the road haulage industry has stated that the above notices are entirely out of touch the situation of uncertainty facing the road hauliers with less than five months until the UK leaves the European Union.

Of course, the logistics planners within the transport industry could attempt to set up express central hubs for medical supplies themselves, but that would need the co-operation of very many transport operators throughout both Europe and here in Britain and would be a costly operation.

However, a trade deal could be signed at any time before Brexit actually takes place, and therefore no transport company is going to engage in the heavy expenditure involved in setting up the above operation(s) when the signing of a trade agreement would negate all that expenditure immediately a deal is agreed.

This thread is only discussing medical supplies, but there are many other essential services that require a constant logistics supply which could not be sustained if there was disruption through the ports following Brexit. Therefore I do not believe that the medical profession or any other trade or industry can truly state that their operations will remain unaffected following Brexit.

The truth is that no one knows what the situation will be on the 30th of March next year as long as all the present uncertainty prevails. However, the longer the present situation of uncertainty continues, the more serious the transport problem will become.

elfies: ' but I think all these panics and rumours are being pushed to make people panic into a revote'

you actually believe, that the very Conservative British Medical Association, The Lancet, the British Medical Journal and the Head of Drugs procurement, etc - are actually scaremongering for political reasons? Really ?!?

That is certainly not the view of the majority of the medical profession.

If you listen to the warnings, but reject them, because you think you know more than the medical profession, what on earth would it take for you to see sense and realise that brexit could seriously damage your health?

Well, I have asked 'the medical profession' and she assures me that all will be fine, that there is much scaremongering.

I have always got my information from a wide range of sources, and sometimes that even includes the Daily Mail which is a popular newspaper and had an extreme pro-brexit agenda.

Perhaps the new editor might tone it down a bit. I believe he has been quoted as saying that he intends to campaign for "the least damaging brexit"- a sad admission that any kind of brexit will damage our country.

Varian
For someone who has a deep and utter loathing of the DM you do quote it rather a lot.

What about the brexiter's insulting term Remoaner

Which particular Brexiter were you meaning?

Well personally I have never referred to anybody as a Remoaner or Saboteur here orelsewhere. What a newspaper like the DM does is its own business.
Members on GN on the other hand have had accusations such as “ closet Tory” etc thrown at them.

If you listen to the warnings, but reject them, because you think you know more than the medical profession, what on earth would it take for you to see sense and realise that brexit could seriously damage your health?

I am diabetic and understand insulin supplies may be affected by Brexit , but I think all these panics and rumours are being pushed to make people panic into a revote

What about the brexiter's insulting term "Remoaner", to say nothing of the Daily Mauil's use of "sabotuers" and "enemies of the people"?

There is no doubt that this whole sorry charade, initiated by Cameron to sort out his problems with a loud and nasty minority of his own Tory MPs, has divided our country like nothing else in our lifetimes and debased our political discourse.

To my mind there are some who use the word ' Brexiter ' as a derogatory term and they make no bones of who/ what/ why THEY deem a ' Brexiter ' to be

The same level of insult is implied or indeed explicit in names such as “DM reader”, “DT reader” or “Tory “ ( closet or otherwise)

Some people believe that all's fair in love, war and politics, the end justifies the means, and anything at all can be blamed on the opposite to what they wish for. Others are open-minded enough to dislike unfair and biased criticism, even of those proposals that they voted against.

janea
compleatly correct

Grandad

" I find it strange that many on this forum state that they voted remain, but then go on to rally against anyone that criticises the Brexit argument."
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In other words you believe some posters are lying, is that correct?

I voted Remain but I have been ' informed ' on more than one occasion I was a ' Brexiteer ', maybe by yourself too.

I recall another thread where if I am not mistaken you said a very similar thing accusing posters of being ' Brexiteers ' who took a different view to yours . When you were asked who the ' Brexiteers' were you were speaking of you never answered . Perhaps you missed the question as you moved on to other threads , no doubt that thread will be resurrected as it is a topic that annoys some posters into teeth gnashing.

To my mind there are some who use the word ' Brexiter ' as a derogatory term and they make no bones of who/what/why THEY deem a ' Brexiter ' to be. There are others who use the word ' Brexiter ' in it's obvious form of a person who chose to leave the European Union for their own individual reasons and accept their right to do so. To my mind the sneering , derogatory using of the word is so pathetic I decide occasionally to have an input , especially when some posters have gone too far and called them ' 'Brexshitters' etc.

If a poster queries another poster over their factual evidence , perhaps time line of the information they produce, comments they made it shows a weakness on the part of the poster being queried if their only way of dealing with it is to result to plan B and fall back on the now very old cry of calling them a ' Brexiter' as if it that were a sin.






From the time of the Referendum result be astounded by the level of bile and name calling and

Grandad1943
rally against anyone who criticises
It's obvious from recent posts that we have some
criticle thinkers on GN. Hallelujah.