No Deal and supply of medicines

MawBroon, and I find your above post compleat nonsense also

Good night have a good paragraph

I am sorry perhaps it was not clear I was referring to your post of 23.03 which contained three paragraphs and an envoi “Got it”
Sadly as I believe they say across the Pond
“No, you don’t got it”

Grandad
I voted Remain.
That doesn’t mean that I have to support other Remainers when they are talking complete codswallop.
You actually weaken your case when you just make stuff up.
Why don’t you just admit it?

Not since The Compleat Angler, I agree.

Nonsense, Grandad?

compleat
I haven't heard that word in a long while, since I last visited Izaak Walton's cottage.

MawBroon, and I find your above post compleat nonsense also.

Good night have a good paragraph.

Makes me wonder?
Yes, I wonder too Grandad
Criticising Brexit with well-researched facts is one thing, but throwing out unverifiable statements which can be proved to have no foundation does not help your cause.

Your second paragraph is a complete non sequitur Grandad - there is no “therefore” about it and the behaviour you are describing has been going on long before we were even in the EU let alone about to leave it.
Yout first paragraph is a matter of opinion and adds very little to anything and your final paragraph quite irrelevant.
So I fail to see what your posts today have added either to your argument or anybody else’s understanding of Brexit - let alone anything to do with drug shortages.
Perhaps Jura will provide you with a new starter for ten tomorrow morning.

I find it strange that many on this forum state that they voted remain, but then go on to rally against anyone that criticises the Brexit argument.

Makes me wonder?

I voted Remain.
Got it now?

No janeainsworth, I don't think that Grandad has got it.

I voted Remain too but I do realise that not everything can be laid at the door of Brexit.

In the above, many left these shores for Australia and New Zealand in those years, but Europe or any non-English speaking country did not come into the equation back then
Do you have any figures to back up that assertion please Grandad?
I do know several people (and some relatives) who worked overseas in non-English speaking countries in the 1970s and 80s.

Even 'Sunny Jim'Callaghan said:
"Our place in the world is shrinking: our economic comparisons grow worse, long-term political influence depends on economic strength - and that is running out," he told his colleagues in November 1974. "If I were a young man, I should emigrate."
He didn't have much faith in his PM then!

I think there are many in this thread that do not want to get what Brexit is doing to the future of Britain. In that, they cannot see that Brexit will weaken the British economy and there will be less money for the NHS and much other infrastructure.

Therefore many British Medical graduates along with graduates to many other professions look to the overseas as better options for their careers and as greater financial reward for their accreditations.

I do not think anyone should condemn them for taking that option as even leading Brexitier Jacob Rees Mogg has stated it may take Britain fifty years to gain any rewards from leaving the European Unuon

Got it now.

Grandad
Many qualifying with degrees from our universities are now going overseas to practice their professions as they fear Britain will be a declining economy following brexit
Your words.
That is the assertion I am challenging you to substantiate. That UK medical graduates are leaving the country because of Brexit, for financial reasons.
I don’t know how to make it clearer.
I am well aware of the NHS’s staffing problems, so please don’t post any more links that don’t answer my question.
I voted Remain.
Got it now?

And what Mawbroon?

And?

Make of it what you will Mawbroon. It states what it states quite clearly I believe.

I do not refer to you or any particular person as a mistaken leave voter, but obviously they are out there, and many would be retired.

Would you care to elaborate on who you are referring to as “Leave” voters Grandad?
Or retired bath (ooops, arm) chair voters?
Or do you persist in assuming that anybody who dares to question your punditry must by definition be a Brexiteer?

janeainsworth, make of it what you will. It explains why the NHS has a severe staff recruitment and retention problem. Do you honestly believe that Btexit is improving that problem?

I believe that this is another case of leave voters clinging to straws in the hope that some credibility can be seen and found by others in the way they voted.

Many were retired armchair risk takers who now wonder why younger people despise the older generation and the damage they are doing to the NHS and many other industries/ professions and the employment in those bodies.

Even the medication supply is under threat because of those that voted leave.

Grandad <sigh>
Did you actually read the Guardian article you posted a link to?
The only mention of Brexit is in this paragraph:
“The cuts to bursaries [for trainee nurses and midwives] have driven down the numbers of students applying for health degrees while the government’s chaotic handling of Brexit has put off increasing numbers of desperately needed medical staff from coming to the UK to care for our sick and elderly,” he added

The article says that Brexit is deterring EU nationals and other foreign graduates from working in the NHS.
The article does not say Brexit is causing British graduates to leave.

I do wish you would make sure you know what you’re talking about before making such statements.

I would not dream of working in another country without learning its native language prior to moving. However, in the sixties, seventies and even the early years of the eighties I and many others found it very possible to progress from the shop floor to higher management provided that you improved your education along the way.

The above I believe is now much more difficult if not virtually impossible as the workplace opportunities and adult education are no longer in place for that to happen.

In the above, many left these shores for Australia and New Zealand in those years, but Europe or any non-English speaking country did not come into the equation back then

Just as so many people feel that immigrants to the UK should make the effort to learn and speak English I find it imperative for anybody hoping to make a career in another country to become fluent in that language.
I am amused that you dismiss learning French as “just another” task as if it would have been a piece of cake
Reminds me of the sort of person who says they could easily have written a book/poem/symphony/perform brain surgery if they had chosen to do so!

No Mawbroon, but I did take on a great deal in education back then, learning French then would have been just one more task.

However, I believe Britain held much more for those wishing to progress in their education and working lives thirty years ago, than it does now or into the future, sadly.

Would value your thoughts?

However, I would have to admit that if I was thirty years younger at this time, I would probably consider moving to France with my family of that time

Fluent French, Grandad? .

I cannot believe the above link went wrong again.. Could be my phone needs rebooting as like me its been on the go since 7am this morning. Think I will have a very large Drambuie before I go on any further.

Here is the link I intended to paste
amp.theguardian.com/society/2018/jul/26/nhs-in-england-facing-deepening-staffing-crisis-figures-show

Here is a media report on the overall problem of major staff shortages in the NHS. The article looks at the number of reasons that the situation is becoming so serious and makes grim reading for all who support the health service

Report begins here:-
www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/oct/23/matt-the-blank-made-few-friends-when-grilled-over-the-nhs-and-brexit.

Apologies for the Telegraph article, do not understand why they placed todays date at the top of the page and then and old article.

Jane
Yup, that looks like 2012