No Deal and supply of medicines

But fortunately Stanley Johnson doesn’t matter does he?

I very much doubt if Mrs T would have said that at all about the Irish. She did, for all her manifold faults, have a grasp of statesmanship.

So I'm perfectly comfortable with interpreting what Johnson said as being his very own Alf Garnett like thoughts.

It shouldnt be necessary to confirm by video Elegran but when enough people say black is white sometimes you have to have another look for wourself!

Mrs T wasn't asked to comment so could not have been quoted. The words that Stanley Johnson chose to put into Mrs T's mouth are not the words which were quoted on here and elsewhere as being the words that he chose. He approximated what Mrs T would have said, and those who repeat him have approximated what he thought she would have said. Two approximations equals Chinese whispers!

It may be pedantry, but when something is so-called "quoted" it should not be necessary to watch the video to see those words spoken to believe that they were quoted accurately. Anyone wanting to paraphrase what was said can do so without the quotation marks and with it clearly stated that it was "in effect" the meaning.

I have watched the link, I have read the words. I think it's an awful thing to say.

No I don't like it when I get battered.

I mean why did you not check your facts first. It would have been easy enough to do, but of course would not have been as sensationalist.

But it was you who misquoted him Jura!
Do you not admit responsibility?

'If he said or implied also that he agreed 100%, and it doesn't surprise me at all that he did, then why were his words not quoted exactly?'

I agree, it would have been better. But the link to the video was posted for all to see and make their own mind up. To my mind, his demeanour makes it clear he agrees- and also he did not quote Mrs Thatcher, HE CHOSE the words- and clearly agreed with them.

It’s all conjecture isn’t it.
I would not be at all surprised if Stanley Johnson was indeed chosen because of the impact he was sure to create.
A.N Other would not have met the brief would he?

It was what one could infer that he was thinking - and it was quoted on here and in the media as though he not only thought exactly that, but said it too, in those exact words.

If he said or implied also that he agreed 100%, and it doesn't surprise me at all that he did, then why were his words not quoted exactly?

And I still wonder why anyone believed that he was an expert to be asked such a question - or did they think that he would be good for a huge foot in the puddle, making a resounding splash?

Mawbroon, yes who knows. But HE clearly CHOSE to put those words in her mouth- he was not quoting. He said it, because if you watch the video, it was clearly what HE was thinking.

But to go back to topic of thread. I have given it much thought, about being insensitive to those suffering from cancer or who have family and friends battling with this terrible disease.

If I had a spouse, a best friend, a grandchild even - who may be at risk of not getting treatment because, as the warnings are very clear from experts (NO, NOT their opinions, but facts if we leave with no deal) - what should I do, as a wife, as a best friend, as a grandmother?

Say, how well, we voted, too late - will have to accept what comes of it, even if ...

Or say 'now I know what the consequences are- I shall fight it with all my strength- because that just can't happen.'

- he makes it very clear that he agrees with her, 100%. There was no need at all to use the 'if the Irish want to shoot each other' - he could have said that Mrs T would not have pandered to the situation, etc. What he said was totally wrong- as he put the words in Mrs T's mouth- and she would have never said that

Who knows what anybody would have said. Thatcher, Wellington, Boudicca.

Posters don't like it on GN when they get battered for what they are assumed to have said because of what they report that someone else has said or would have said
So frustrating.

As you say, who knows what someone “would have said” so it was a silly question in a hypothetical scenario.
But if one is going to attribute a quotation to a person, they should not be misquoted . If there had not been written and video evidence of the actual Q/A we might well have taken it at face value (with all the attendant outrage)

If you actually watch the whole interview, as poster yesterday as a link- he makes it very clear that he agrees with her, 100%. There was no need at all to use the 'if the Irish want to shoot each other' - he could have said that Mrs T would not have pandered to the situation, etc. What he said was totally wrong- as he put the words in Mrs T's mouth- and she would have never said that.

That was to Oldbatty.

Was he also asked whether he agreed with her, and has there been as much publicity for what he answered? We could all guess at what Mrs T would have said, or Churchill, or Queen Victoria, or King Billy, or Walter Raleigh or Oliver Cromwell or even Julius Caesar ("Those British are always at war with each other, and they always will be even if we impose on them our pax Romana ") .

Posters don't like it on GN when they get battered for what they are assumed to have said because of what they report that someone else has said or would have said.

But he WAS asked what Mrs T would have said. She would have answered very much as he said she would, though perhaps put it rather more elegantly.

Read the words, old batty
If he was being interviewed and asked a question why should he not answer.
My link gives you it from the video so judge for yourself, don’t be influenced by jura’s or anybody else’s mis quotation.

Mr Johnson could of course have done the decent thing and politely declined to reply.

How offensive to mention the Irish shooting each other.

Perhaps asked Stanley Johnson for a soundbite because Nigel Farage’s Mum was at the hairdresser?
Quite right Elegran

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, I respect others opinions.

Having said that in my opinion this thread is full of maybes, what ifs and numerous other speculations. The "experts" and journalists being quoted have not got actual facts they also are speculating on all things Brexit.

Unless anyone from gransnett has actually been party to the negotiations, until they are finalised nobody will know the outcome.

And just why was anyone asking him questions about government policy anyway? Who made him a spokesman for any party?

Johnson Senior probably is a daft old man, and should shut his geggie, but if you are going to quote him in inverted commas, then at least do it accurately.

Apparently he said When asked how Mrs Thatcher would have fixed the issue, he continued: "She would have said, 'Look, if the Irish want to shoot each other they will shoot each other whether there is a hard border or whether there is a soft border, that is something the Irish will do if they want to do it'.
He said: "She would have said it is quite intolerable that this whole question of a Northern Ireland border has come to dominate a decision about the future of our country."

You do know what 'The Troubles' were about, don't you POGS ? You do understand what the significance is of no border in the island of Ireland and the very key part the removal of the 'hard' border played in achieving the GFA?

Please don't ask me silly questions

And perhaps you should read Patrick Kielty's message on the Irish border thread.

Maizie d

So you think a border stops terrorism?