Peoples' Vote March Saturday 20th October

Add comment | Report | Private message merlotgran Wed 17-Oct-18 23:05:04
Did you vote in the referendum, jura

Second time you’ve asked that merlot
Maybe third time lucky? ?

They could meet Alan Partridge though

I need this explained to me.

If people were allegedly too stupid to know what they were voting for in the referendum and therefore did not vote 'properly' how are they going to know what they will be voting for if they are given a final say on the Brexit Deal?

Did you vote in the referendum, jura?

And many of us will disagree, and say that democracy requires a second vote, on the final deal, with all the information as to consequences. And we will continue to fight for it, in so many ways.

The trouble with the referendum was that no-one knew what they were voting for.

Perhaps we should have been better informed.

We need to take responsibility for this now.

We've had the opportunity to vote. Some of us don't like the result.

Tough. It's done and dusted.

That's democracy.

It's like going into a building with two doors, one marked enter and the other marked exit, only the exit has been blocked because no one thought an EU member would wish to make use of it.

The reason that it's difficult is because we had no plan at all for how to achieve what we wanted to do (i.e leave the EU) and even if we had had a plan it should have been in place before A50 was invoked. We should have known from the length of time that it took Greenland, a far smaller country, with no complex trading arrangements, to leave the then EEC that the process would be lengthy and complex and we should have planned accordingly. We should have had a plan before the referendum (like Scotland did before their referendum on leaving the Union of the UK) but our thoughtless tory government did nothing of the sort.

It's not the EU that is making leaving hard. It's our own ridiculous lack of preparedness and subsequent hasty actions.

Oh my, no, not at all-

Senseless was directed at me, my user name being Smileless.

I meant that the comment was senseless, not the person! I should have put a '!' in between- but never imagined it could be read as you did. Looking at it now- I can see how you might. But the adjective was for the statement.

My sincere apologies *Jalimallmy post of 19.56 was to jura. Thank you for pointing out my error MawBroon.

MawBroomexactly. I seem to make the mistake when posting on GN that I'm always corresponding with those who have a degree of maturity.

Jalimall ref. your post of 15.18 today I did wonder at the time if the reference to Senseless was directed at me, my user name being Smileless

Not Jalima’s “boo boo” though

Add comment | Report | Private message jura2 Tue 16-Oct-18 21:41:09
Senseless, you should reconsider now that you are aware of some of the dreadful consequences, as highlighted by experts in so many fields

Oops, see what you mean Smileless! .

If I'd thought the 'benefits' of being a member of the EU club out weighed the negatives I wouldn't have voted to leave varian and I'm sure that goes for all who voted leave.

If you leave a club, you leave, but you can't expect to keep enjoying the benefits of membership.

Jalimall ref. your post of 15.18 today I did wonder at the time if the reference to Senseless was directed at me, my user name being Smileless.

I chose to ignore it as it's intelligent debate that interests me rather than infantile remarks.

I agree Mazie that we are not being pushed out of the EU against our will but disagree that we are not making it easy.

I agree with Kitty; we are being dictated to by Barnier and Tusk. It's like going into a building with two doors, one marked enter and the other marked exit, only the exit has been blocked because no one thought an EU member would wish to make use of it.

I hope it is peacful as six of my family will be marching.

Well, I just hope it all goes peacefully as I’m dog sitting whilst my DD and GD travel up by train from Cornwall

And, actually, I am beginning to believe we do not want to be dictated to by the likes of Barnier and Tusk and will be better off without them.

We are not being dictated to by Barnier and Tusk, Kitty. Barnier is negotiating according to the remit given to him by the EU 27. They do not want the integrity of the Single Market to be broached. That is their Red Line and they aren't going to be moved. May has tried that, sending Ministers running round to the individual states to try and get them on side with us, and it didn't succeed.

Anyone would think the we were being pushed out of the EU against our will. We aren't. The UK voted to Leave and has chosen not to make it easy. We could have gone for rejoining EFTA and staying in the EEA but our manic PM won't have anything to do with the most obviously least painful option.

ah, but a handful of 'Respect Brexit' turn up and they are all over the news.

Oh I so wish I could be there.

The last march was estimated as between 300,000 and 400,000 strong, reported (at the end of the BBC news) as 100,000.

I wonder how many would have to march on Saturday before the Brexit Broadcasting Corporation would report it at the head of the news, if at all - 500, 000, 750,000 -one million????

Let's just forget this "will of the people" lie. OK slightly more voted for leaving than remian, but did they vote for our country to be weaker and poorer?

Insist on a vote ont he final deal - as said so many, many times- once we know a) what the deal is or 'no deal' and b) what the consequences are. That is the only truly democratical thing to do.

And I really do not want for the UK to become the 52nd State of the USA either.

jura, seriously, is it worth getting so cross about? What exactly do you expect us to do to stop what is happening. The people chose (wrongly in my opinion) but we are where we are!

And, actually, I am beginning to believe we do not want to be dictated to by the likes of Barnier and Tusk and will be better off without them.

They are just running scared that, if we go, lots of other countries will follow suit and they will be unable to continue on their particular gravy train.

And, I voted remain (and do vote Tory!)

‘I thought that was an error’ we will never know.

I do wish posters would stop asking others ‘what would you do to solve the Irish border problem’ or anything else that only the government can sort out.It’s pointless and silly to ask.
Certainly MaizieD.....your very last sentence ‘but if one is etc’ I can agree with that!

I think calling a poster Senseless is rather rude myself.

I thought that was an error, not an intentional insult. But of course, what one sees depends very much on whether one is looking for a fight or is trying to move on a discussion which has become bad tempered.

I can't see how jura was rude and sarcastic to tinafl either. But if one is determined to take offence then I suppose that any excuse will do.