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Cuts ,just had this sent from my cousin in Manchester .

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paddyann Fri 09-Nov-18 11:09:35

I am Mark Rowe I have been a firefighter in Merseyside Fire and Rescue Service for 28yrs and I will not remain silent.

Most organisations have a social media policy but sometimes there are some things that are so important they must be said regardless of any personal consequences. If anybody wishes to report me to my employer please feel free to do so because the things I am about to say I believe to be undisputed facts. I am the Brigade Secretary of Merseyside Fire Brigades Union so I speak with authority, with knowledge and with facts.

Merseyside Fire and Rescue Service has over the past 5yrs (as a consequence of the Conservative led coalition and now as the Conservative majority government) been forced to cut the number of fire engines from 42 to 28, this number will be cut again shortly to 24. There will, by the end of 2020, potentially have been 10 Community Fire Station closures taking the numbers down from 26 to 16 (potentially less in worst case scenarios). Fire deaths since 2005 in Merseyside have trebled, cuts cost lives is not just a soundbite it is a reality.

Due to these Conservative cuts fire engines have to travel from further afield as attendance times have increased. The majority of Community Fire Stations now have only one fire engine so if that fire engine is already at a fire back up engines have to travel from significantly further away. The second fire engine responding to your house fire also as a consequence has to travel from further away. Slower attendance times mean fires are more developed by the time firefighters get to the scene increasing risk to the public and also to firefighters who are committed into a more developed fire environment. Firefighter numbers have been cut in just over a decade from 1200 to 680 and as a result of the next round of Conservative cuts that number will fall to potentially 460 or less. It is my view that members of the public will continue to die as a result of these cuts and that those deaths will increase.

Shocking situation,surely even tory voters cant believe this shoule be happening

PECS Sat 10-Nov-18 09:23:14

My SiL is a firefighter. He has been in the service for almost 20 years now and has several promotions. His income is well below my DD who now works as an self employed consultant. He now has 2 different degrees ( photography & law) but chooses to work as a FF . However he has spoken of the dire cutbacks, nonsensical targets and policies not necessarily originating from the brigade HQ but as a direct result of gov. policy and action.

mcem Sat 10-Nov-18 09:17:45

You're right gilly but at least that implies a degree of open-mindedness.

gillybob Sat 10-Nov-18 09:11:24

I think some of us are caught between the devil and the deep blue sea (politically speaking).

mcem Sat 10-Nov-18 09:08:11

lemon sorry to burst the bubble of your vivid imagination but the only time I voted Labour was when Tony Blair was elected (and I have no intention of supporting Corbyn.)
One might even think that you jump to incorrect conclusions.
My political (note the small p) opinions are not just based on party politics.
The more I see entrenched right-wingers supporting this government 's shameful policies, the more I shall voice my disagreement.
Why should that come as a surprise or be open to criticism?

lemongrove Sat 10-Nov-18 08:49:17

Oh mcem and Maizie grin you can’t wait for the Socialist Paradise that will arrive with Corbyn in number 10,
When there are droves of policemen on every corner and all is perfection.
Yes, of course our fire services and police forces are being run properly, they are prioritising and changing working practices.If your house is on fire they will be there.

oldbatty Sat 10-Nov-18 08:14:21

Mothers from black communities

Where do you get this information from please?

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/05/police-stop-and-search-knife-crime

gillybob Fri 09-Nov-18 23:33:02

Police won’t stop and search black kids for fear of being racist. Meanwhile a woman has full police attention because someone beeped their horn at her in a petrol station.
Are we in some kind of parallel universe ?

gillybob Fri 09-Nov-18 23:22:29

Mr Khan is doing a sterling job isn’t he ?

gillybob Fri 09-Nov-18 23:21:32

That’s not fair ! Are you seriously saying that knife crime is not on the up ? It seems that every single day in the news there is yet another murder in London !

mcem Fri 09-Nov-18 22:08:20

In a little Tory - blue world of her own maizie!!

MaizieD Fri 09-Nov-18 22:06:09

The fire service is still being run properly, as is the police force.

What bl**dy planet are you living on, lemon?

lemongrove Fri 09-Nov-18 21:44:28

Glad you are so easily amused oldbatty
The stop and search practice on grounds of ethnicity was stopped ( and I understand why) but many Mothers from black communities wish it had never done so.So many boys from African backgrounds and West Indian are in knife carrying gangs.

oldbatty Fri 09-Nov-18 21:35:58

Knife crime is rising and it’s time that stop and search was back as it has risen since that was stopped

Hilarious

mcem Fri 09-Nov-18 21:18:23

I've read many a right-wing post on GN defending appalling cuts and justifying disgraceful policies but this thread is approaching disgusting.
(By the way my father had a long and successful career in the Fire Service and he called Fire Engines machines!)

lemongrove Fri 09-Nov-18 21:17:11

I often agree with you Iam but can’t on this ( we can agree to disagree)
The fire service is still being run properly, as is the police force.Fires are responded to and so is crime, priorities are put in place though, of course.
The deaths claimed by the union rep ( the article quoted by the OP) are not proven at all, and it’s easy to say things like he did, knowing a lot of people will all go ‘ooooh, that’s awful’.
Money was saved in all kinds of ways including work practices, but our fire service and our police are still working well.
Knife crime is rising and it’s time that stop and search was back as it has risen since that was stopped.
The cuts have impacted our public services, no doubt about that, but sensationalist articles citing death by fire are untrustworthy IMO.
Since the economy is improving then gradually public spending will start to rise in all areas.

Jalima1108 Fri 09-Nov-18 21:13:38

Yes, the recorded crime rate had gone down so cuts were made accordingly. However - the crime rate has gone up again.

Years ago I recall that changes were made in the way that the police recorded crimes too.

That was under a different administration, so plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.

Jalima1108 Fri 09-Nov-18 21:11:20

I think the story in the OP is three years old but has just been raised again online because no progress has been made and in fact, more cuts are planned.

Iam64 Fri 09-Nov-18 20:57:41

I despair at the level of denial, dismissal and ridicule shown by some posters here to genuine concerns about the impact of cuts on our public services.

Thanks to crystal tips and granniesue for attempting to bring some serious balance here.

JenniferEccles Fri 09-Nov-18 17:28:09

'A low priority crime' That's unbelievable.

I wish more money had been given to the police in the Budget, but even then it's about more than just numbers isn't it?

Surely the money could be found from somewhere. I suggested the foreign aid budget.

gillybob Fri 09-Nov-18 17:22:39

Prompted by my son and DH, I watched a program last night about the rising theft of keyless cars . The thieves buy special equipment cheaply off the internet and use it to duplicate the signal from your keyfob (usually stored inside the house) . It was quite horrific . One young father said the burglars came into his house while his children slept in their bed ! When called the police didn’t even turn up ! A spokeswoman for the police said they see this as a very low priority crime! I couldn’t believe my ears to be honest .

JenniferEccles Fri 09-Nov-18 17:06:28

It has gillybob

We all like to think that, perish the thought, if we were burgled, the police would come running, but sadly I don't think that would happen.

What is really terrifying for us all is that the criminals are very well aware of the current situation.

gillybob Fri 09-Nov-18 16:59:45

Exactly what I mean JenniferEccles this country has gone bonkers !

JenniferEccles Fri 09-Nov-18 16:50:43

Or how about that case of the police being called to attend to a 'hate crime' at a filling station.

A woman motorist beeped her horn at the customer ahead of her, as she was faffing about and holding the queue up.

The woman who was tooted was black. She got out of her car screaming abuse at the other woman, played the racist card of course, and stormed into the petrol station demanding the police be called for the supposed 'hate crime'

Somehow the police seemed to have the manpower to attend that non event.

crystaltipps Fri 09-Nov-18 16:25:31

I can’t remember which daft politician said rising crime had nothing to do with police numbers. Might as well have none at all by that logic. I’d rather have a police service that did respond to burglaries, fraud etc and were visible on the streets to deter street crime , and ambulances which didn’t take hours to arrive. Let’s hope those apologists for cuts to emergency services aren’t in need of one of them any time soon.

gillybob Fri 09-Nov-18 15:26:03

We live in very strange times . It seems that the Police are more likely to turn up if someone is called a name than if a house is burgled in the middle of the night .