Is today’s Brexit the same as we voted for in 2016.

Our armed forces are trained in many things nowadays and carry out a variety of different roles throughout the world!!!

petra Behave yourself.

Soldiers on the streets. Won't worry me: I love a man in uniform

Lemongrove Quote [Fortunately, in the UK we don’r need to be frightened by our armed forces when about civil business.] End Quote

A large section of the population in Northern Ireland soon learned to be very frightened of the armed forces when "about civil business". As Harold Wilson started " it is one thing to put the army into any problem situation, it is another to get them out". The forgoing turned out to be very true.

Those that place armed forces into any civil situation run a severe risk of things going severely wrong. To even having to be considering that prospect at this point in Brexit proves the abject failure of the whole leave project.

Will give the link, just in case anyone wants to understand the issues. There is some banter, and some swearing- but mostly essential info on the reality ot there.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=pl_v3l32hfQ

NFKD ' The army will be on hand to help in any way they’re needed. Delivering medicines, helping customs at ports, etc.'

the supply and transport will be the very least of the problems with medicines. As we will no longer be part of the Drug's Agency, every single drug we import will have to be re-tested. We could decide, in an emergency, that we will not do that - at our very own risks. Every drug we want to see to EU, will have to be tested and re-tested, again and again, for each export.

I know most of you will not bother to watch 'three blokes in a pub' - but they know what they are talking about, and explain it really well.

As for Isotopes for cancer treatment, I am afraid the answer will probably be a firm NO. And then there is EU international research on new treatments and drugs- and we won't be part of any of it either.

Fortunately, in the UK we don’r need to be frightened by our armed forces when about civil business.

What are you so worried about, a riot if we run out of German cars or French wine?

Deployment of the armed forces has been used many times, ( in civil situations )when needed.So, if they are needed to help out then they will do so again.

Heads in the sand fingers in ears leavers still don't get it, or do not want to get it.

Most are retired armchair risk takers, many on this forum.

NfkDumpling, if you have read the above Sky news link, you have seen the following in the defence ministers statement. "If there is a requirement to provide assistance, we are looking right across the full spectrum of requirements to make sure that we are prepared to, necessarily, stand up if asked to do so."

"THE FULL SPECTRUM OF REQUIREMENTS". I think we all know what the full requirements of the armed forces can be don't we NfkDumpling.

As many of us I am sure can remember, when the army was first deployed in Nothern Ireland they were sent in support of the police in what was then a riot situation. However with armed troops on the streets that soon developed into much more.

The problem is, unlike the police the army is not trained in crowd control or other civil disobedience situations. They are trained to entirely different standards, and in that retaliation can develop and escalate in control situations.

However, I do not recall the leave supporters in the Referendum campaign ever stating that the armed forces would even possibly be required in any Brexit situation.

Was it not to be a " golden glorious future" as soon as the leave result was declared. After all, according to David Davis on the day article fifty was signed the leave negotiations would be the easiest ever concluded.

The leave leaders were most certainly wrong on that, which has now brought this government to having to consider the deployment of the armed forces in a civil situation should Britain crash out of the EU because of a no deal outcome to the above negotiations.

If you spot a soldier in the street Grandad the trick is to remain very very still ( then they won’t shoot you.)

Ah, the little people, begorrah!

And there is no solution to the Irish problem. There probably never has been. You, of course, think the answer is to stay in Europe and pretend all is well. But it isn’t, it’s just pretend.

(I’m just watching a programme on TV with Simon Reeve travelling in Ireland. There seems to be a lot of people who really believe in fairies.)

Ok, so I read your link Grandad and I still can’t see what you’re getting your knickers in a twist about. The army will be on hand to help in any way they’re needed. Delivering medicines, helping customs at ports, etc. Why should we fear our own forces? Are you thinking there’ll be a seven o’clock curfew and we’ll be shot if found on the streets?

majority won.. how easy is that to understand?

As usual, the leave voters on the forum dodge a real question, whether that be the Irish border issue or now the deployment of troops in the port areas and other attached critical points on a no deal, crash out Brexit scenario.

No surprise in that once again.

majority won. leave...end of story. I look forward to a new prosperous UK, outside of the EU , as I love our country so much.. EU unelected President and all those people in power, I do not want to be ruled any longer by those ghastly people.

Joelsnan, the armed forces deployment for customs purposes only is not what the government defence minister stated yesterday on Sky News or what the defence chief started on the BBC as you can see below.

Link to sky news report follows here:-
news.sky.com/story/minister-military-could-be-used-in-the-event-of-a-no-deal-brexit-11551539

Would it not be helpful to take advice and warnings from those who are not "scaremongering" but are speaking from experience?

Every single experienced group of people from business, industry, trade unions, the professions, the NHS, academics, agriculture, legal experts, the haulage business, the service industries, the civil service, international trade negotiators, economists etc all say the same thing.

Stop this brexit nonsense before it wrecks the future of the UK.

oh, for goodness' sake

You lose your argument Grandad

Troops wouldn't be deployed on the streets though, Grandad, if needed they would be doing what they always do if an emergency occurs eg as in the floods etc.

If

andycameron69, ehh, don't we elect the European Parliment.

However, I ask you and other leavers yet again andycameron69, will you be content to witness members of Britains armed forces confront other British Citizens should there be disruption through and in the ports on a no deal Brexit????

Joel well said I agree with you wholeheartedly

Grandad1943
Therefore, I would ask those on the forum who have stated they voted leave, did they in casting that vote have knowledge of and accept the possibility of troops having to be deployed into the ports and streets of Britain on Brexit?
What a load of silly scaremongering.
Any deployment of troops at docks would only be used in a customs and revenue situation to facilitate the free movement of goods until clear processes are embedded.
Have you thought of starting a glass half empty club?