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Are the 48 letters really there?

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trisher Tue 13-Nov-18 10:58:04

If there are as has been widely rumoured the required 48 letters from MPs lodged with the 1922 asking for Mrs May to go why haven't they acted? Could it be that there is no one who wants the job? Are they planning for a general election? In the past they have acted quickly and ruthlessly to get rid of a leader. What is going on now? Are they just leaving Mrs May to carry the can for the Brexit farce?

varian Thu 15-Nov-18 21:41:43

GrannyGravy13 -although you are a Leaver and I am a Remainer, I totally agree with your view of David Cameron, who will go down in history as the worst leader this country has ever had, who thoughtlessly propelled us into this potential disaster.

GrannyGravy13 Thu 15-Nov-18 21:26:32

Varian - as much as they moan and bluster about TM nobody wants this poison chalice!!!

I am leave, but I blame David Cameron for not thinking through the referendum and having a “leave plan” in place even at a basic level.

It was an ill advised referendum and he ran for the hills when it did not go his way.

varian Thu 15-Nov-18 20:24:39

I hardly ever make political predictions, and I may very well be wrong here, but I predict that if the Moggites challenge TM's leadership, and that goes to a vote of Tory MP's, I think she will win.

There are three factions amongst Tory MPs - Moggites (swivel-eyed ultra brexiters at all costs), TM loyalists (who may be looking to advance their careers) and Remainers (who will reject any brexit but not vote against TM).

She would survive, and carry on regardless, but at some point she would have to ensure that we did not jump off that cliff of a no-deal brexit.

It does not matter how many times she has said she would not allow a People's Vote under any circumstances, if that is what Parliament votes for, it will happen.

Jalima1108 Thu 15-Nov-18 13:26:59

Brexit Secretary has resigned shock

"Oh no, not another one"

#BrendafromBristol

Grandad1943 Thu 15-Nov-18 09:18:06

Well, from the time of stating that he did not realise how important the port of Dover was to the UK economy , I think Dominic Raabs position became untenable.

That statement very much demonstrated how "out of touch" the whole Brexit campaign has been against the true position modern Britain is in with regard to cross border trade.

Anniebach Thu 15-Nov-18 09:03:34

Brexit Secretary has resigned

travelsafar Thu 15-Nov-18 08:29:03

I agree with those of you who support TM for her tenacity, strength of character and the B***s to stand up to the bullies both here and in the EU. I think EU is giving her a real hard time as they are afraid if the rest of the countries see us come out with a good deal they will all start considering the same move. David Cameron fled when the going got tough, and Nigel Farage who was an advocate of leaving EU now works as a radio presenter, why isnt he there supporting TM in the back groud instead of slating her which he di on his program yesterday evening!!! They use to say women are weak, but i think the men now are just cowards.!!!

LullyDully Thu 15-Nov-18 08:17:44

I wouldn't want TM's job for all the tea in China and I don't think anyone waiting in the wings wants to take over ..........just yet. She must be facing sleepless nights. I blame Cameron for this unholy mess. It has been a disaster from start to finish. I voted stay, unlike DH who should be PM as he seems to know all the answers.

The media seem to be the only ones enjoying this debacle. Poor old TM.

Chewbacca Wed 14-Nov-18 23:03:58

Like others, I feel very sorry for TM. She never wanted to leave the EU and ended up with sorting this mess out when the lily livered Cameron the worm chickened out of it. She's never given up on trying to sort out a deal that will satisfy all the opposing sides, even though she's had to deal with the likes of Boris at al, who has regularly stabbed her in the back. The woman is a saint to have stayed so long.
As for Christine Hamilton... wouldn't trust her, or her slimy husband, as far as I could throw 'em.

Phoebes Wed 14-Nov-18 22:37:30

I just answered a YouGov poll, and the result was that 41% of those polled think that we will have an agreement with the EU over Brexit and 41% think that there is no chance at all that we will leave the EU with an agreement. Says it all, really!

lemongrove Wed 14-Nov-18 20:49:28

charjoy and Jane well said.??
At least the majority of the Cabinet backed her this evening.

Jalima1108 Wed 14-Nov-18 20:39:02

Hear hear, Jane10

Jane10 Wed 14-Nov-18 20:33:08

I'm a big fan of TM. The temptation to just walk away must have been almost irresistible at times. She's stuck through humiliation with EU leaders and being stabbed in the back and front by her own party. She voted remain but put her all into trying to do what was voted for democratically. Whatever happens she's done her very best and I for one appreciate her. She's easily the best of a very bad lot.

charjoy Wed 14-Nov-18 19:50:31

Nobody likes change. It was voted by the people in a democratic way and it's a pity that the Remainers didn't accept it. We could have had a great deal if they had not opposed everything. They should have put their views over and be prepared to compromise whilst backing the Leader. Most of the politicians are in it for themselves but I feel that TM is the most likely one to look after all the people - the poor as well as the rich. Her heart is in the right place. Well done TM for sticking it out even after all the nasty things that have been said. Let's give her a break.

POGS Wed 14-Nov-18 19:34:02

SO FAR the Cabinet are backing her.

Tomorrow may bring who knows what.

Morgana Wed 14-Nov-18 18:47:37

hard to read the situation at the moment. As to who will be blamed? Well, I think that all the MP's are to blame: a) that awful referendum when no-one knew what they were voting for b) the lack of real information afterwards c)the sheer ineptitude of so many of the MPs who were unable to understand the situation and negotiate meaningfully d) the lack of honesty about our situation out of EU e)the sitting on the fence of the Labour Party. f)the grandstanding Tories. I could go on, but I am sure you are all bored already!!

GillT57 Wed 14-Nov-18 16:54:55

So do I Jalima1108! I would be happy for someone to come riding on a charger and save the country from Brexit, but please, not Boris!

Jalima1108 Wed 14-Nov-18 13:26:40

please no, GillT57 …..
I hope your crystal ball is having an off day

GillT57 Wed 14-Nov-18 12:58:19

As I said on another thread, I think that Boris is up to something, about to serve himself up as the saviour, having realised that Brexit is a bad idea, he obviously backed the wrong side in the original referendum, just to be on the opposite side of his mate Cameron. He will snatch victory at the last minute, after all the dreadful and hard negotiations that Teresa May has been through. As for the others and their alleged letters, they should have the courage of their convictions and put their principles before their career, but that is about as likely as Mrs Hamilton knowing the truth!

Craftycat Wed 14-Nov-18 12:32:16

I feel sorry for her too.
She's damned if she does & damned if she doesn't! Whatever the outcome someone will stand to take over from her having let her do all the work when it is all done & dusted- probably a man- & then they will blame her for anything that does not work or takes while to bed in.
She's on a hiding to nothing & she can do nothing about it.

KirbyGirl Wed 14-Nov-18 11:42:56

I think I would have flounced out by now if I was TM. The whole thing is impossible. I did hear something, I think on Woman's Hour, that often women get elected in impossible situations where they are bound to fail and then men can say that women aren't up to it. Or is my memory faulty?

Lilyflower Wed 14-Nov-18 11:21:15

Yes, Petra, and Italy is having great shenanigans with its banking crisis and with defying the EU over key issues.

As for France and Germany, do they not know that creeping federalisation and turning nation states into regions with the addition of an EU army are some of the reasons why principled voters opted for Brexit? To be banging that drum at this stage of the negotiations shows how arrogant and/or out of touch they are.

petra Wed 14-Nov-18 11:07:33

Nanny41
Thank you for pointing out that we're not the only country in a mess. We were talking to some Danes and they were talking about there being a very good chance that a anti immigration party will be voted in next year and the leader of that party wants to leave the Schengen zone.

luluaugust Wed 14-Nov-18 10:53:06

If I was TM I would resign today and let them sort that out, hang on isn't that what D Cameron did - nobody wants the job even Boris I suspect.

Marieeliz Wed 14-Nov-18 10:52:35

Europe want it to be a huge mistake That's why they refuse to compromise. I really think that is what it is all about. Hoping we will back down, have another vote keep giving them the money they desperately want. I will still vote Leave and others who did will be angry and do the same.