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So, our Honourable friends the Brexiteers ...

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jura2 Wed 14-Nov-18 13:34:59

Are you happy now?

Jalima1108 Fri 16-Nov-18 19:33:38

small German speaking rural areas voted for it.
Gosh, that is very worrying.
I thought lessons had been learned from the past.

MawBroon Fri 16-Nov-18 19:31:21

Or some things get lost in translation Jura.

jura2 Fri 16-Nov-18 19:29:32

In Switzerland, a Referendum to stop Free Movement, pushed by the far right SVP/UDC Party. Same very close result as for Brexit. FRench speaking part voted massively against it, small German speaking rural areas voted for it.

One the Swiss Government realised the massive damage it would inflict on Switzerland, the Economy, international research and innovation, pharmas, etc, etc, etc- it was decided the tiny majority in favour meant it would not be implemented. And that in a country where Referendums are binding, and where both sides of the arguments have to be explained very clearly in advance, in a booklet which is VERY carefully checked for lies, untruths and fraud... unlike a Parliamentary Democracy like the UK where they can only be rare and advisory. Because at the end of the day, no country really wants to commit stupid suicide.

Some teachers know that some things are more important than others ;)

janeainsworth Fri 16-Nov-18 19:20:57

Yes, what happened in Feb. 2014 just shows that Referendums are a very dangerous way to solve things- especially when the agenda comes from the anti-immigration far right.

What happened in February 2014?
I was in a boat in the USA at the time.
I must have missed something. confused

MawBroon Fri 16-Nov-18 17:52:20

Petra that would be a No then

MawBroon Fri 16-Nov-18 17:43:03

ah well, spelling, who cares
Heaven forfend we should actually bother about getting a word right!
And you a former languages teacher!???...

jura2 Fri 16-Nov-18 17:31:06

... and the proof that a 'cake and eat it' middle deal cannot ever be accepted by the EU- not because they are bullies - but because if they agree for one, they'd have to agree for anyone else who asks. So easy to understand surely.

Same at your local squash club.

jura2 Fri 16-Nov-18 17:29:16

Apologies for delay- have had a rotten cold for 6 weeks- so to my wonderful doc this morning- and slept is off this afternoon, now I can breathe, without coughing- and of course trying to follow her orders to keep away.

Yes, what happened in Feb. 2014 just shows that Referendums are a very dangerous way to solve things- especially when the agenda comes from the anti-immigration far right.

jura2 Fri 16-Nov-18 17:25:29

ah well, spelling, who cares...

Yes, I have Day6, again and again, and some more.
And I just can't be asked (my speling) to do so again.

Chewbacca, yes I would- and so would many in the French speaking part. But it is a totally different situation- totally, and we do have very good and long established reciprocal agreements- that would take many years for UK to negotiate.

PECS Fri 16-Nov-18 07:53:38

annie the opposite of war..they are comrades!

MawBroon Fri 16-Nov-18 06:39:36

Ah coglioni

Live and learn! grin

Jalima1108 Thu 15-Nov-18 23:39:23

sorry football football

Jalima1108 Thu 15-Nov-18 23:38:51

Brilliant, Eduardo Cojones!!
[grin[]

janeainsworth Thu 15-Nov-18 23:35:41

Gotta love Ed Balls and his cojones ???
www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCJGEYLkVpQ

MawBroon Thu 15-Nov-18 23:14:15

grin

Day6 Thu 15-Nov-18 23:10:47

We need Ed Balls to explain it....

MawBroon Thu 15-Nov-18 23:02:26

lemongrove are we both thinking of “cojones” perhaps?

petra Thu 15-Nov-18 22:50:14

Oh, is she not living in the uk?
Every post from her uses the word 'us' or 'we' as we who live in the uk do.

Day6 Thu 15-Nov-18 22:48:08

I listened to JRM on Peston last night.

His answer as to why he might have lost faith in TM was a good one. He used words to the effect that whilst he had a high regard for Mrs May and supported her, as the negotiations went on and on, and especially after the Chequers ultimatum, more and more the policy became part of her.

In not liking the policy she had created, one he felt extremely strongly about, he could not support May. I nodded my head in agreement. I think he has lots of integrity. (Apologies if this has already been mentioned and I have worded JRM's response clumsily.)

Day6 Thu 15-Nov-18 22:43:18

Has Jura explained why she is happily living in Switzerland but so vehement regarding the UK leaving the EU?

It is a very good question.

Anniebach Thu 15-Nov-18 22:43:06

Oh not class war again.

There will more than one letter of no confidence, JRM did it openly .

I agree, I have always had respect for Mrs May, today it went even higher.

lemongrove Thu 15-Nov-18 22:34:50

Yes, Hemingway always liked a similar word I think.grin
Quite a different spelling though.

MawBroon Thu 15-Nov-18 22:25:28

Tell you one thing, which many of us will agree perhaps - she has been incredible, more colliones that all of them put together

Sorry, how are you interpreting the word “colliones” jura?
I’ve looked it up in Italian and it just seems to mean “stupid”
confused

lemongrove Thu 15-Nov-18 22:20:11

Well, I’m not in favour of Mogg’s letter, don’t know about anyone else.

PECS Thu 15-Nov-18 22:15:04

Brexit makes strange bedfellows! Just seen the immaculate JRM being interviewed with his RP Engish, looking like a caricature of a very English gentleman being supported by a group of men from the other end of that continuum & who you suspect would not normally cross paths unless renovating the RM family home or sizing it up!!