So, our Honourable friends the Brexiteers ...

What a pity that the tabloid press and the BBC keep giving them such a free ride.
Was Rees-Mogg the only person on there, then? I didn't see it.
I'm surprised that Ch 4 gave him a programme all to himself to espouse his views without a balance from a remainer.

That doesn't sound very democratic to me - I do think a debate should have an almost 50/50 balance, to reflect the views of the voting public.

Brexit deal vote delayed----latest 12.20.

the bbc keep giving them a free ride
Not the case on Question Time 6 th December. 4 remainers, 1 leaver.

We have had a referendum on in or out if we have a second referendum it should be May's deal or leave on WTO terms. May's deal is not really coming out of EU anyway as we can't come out of Custom's Union without EU say so.

If we come out of EU we need to come out of Single Market and Custom's Union meaning we can do free trade deals with other countries without being inhibited by EU legislation.

I would be surprised if May actually goes ahead with doomed vote tomorrow.

On last night's Channel 4 brexit debate, Rees Mogg was vehemently opposed to having a People's vote now that the terms of Theresa May's deal are known, yet-during a parliamentary debate on David Cameron’s idea to renegotiate our membership with the EU in 2011, Rees-Mogg said: “We could have two referendums. As it happens, it might make more sense to have the second referendum after the renegotiation is completed.”

The lies and inconsistencies of these brexiters should be exposed. What a pity that the tabloid press and the BBC keep giving them such a free ride.

Sorry to bump this thread but I cannot let this pass having asked questions re Switzerland and the European Union etc.

jura2 Fri 16-Nov-18 19:29:32

" In Switzerland, a Referendum to stop Free Movement, pushed by the far right SVP/UDC Party. Same very close result as for Brexit. FRench speaking part voted massively against it, small German speaking rural areas voted for it.

One the Swiss Government realised the massive damage it would inflict on Switzerland, the Economy, international research and innovation, pharmas, etc, etc, etc- it was decided the tiny majority in favour meant it would not be implemented".
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Really?

Did the ' Swiss Government realize the massive damage it would inflict ' so overruled the referendum result ? Or is the truth the Swiss were reminded it is in the Single Market , albeit a non E U Member, and must comply with the 4 Pillars/Freedoms or else?

I remember one of my posts from Dec 2017 :-

" Even in Switzerland- where the systems is based on public Referedums which are binding- the VERY close result in feb 2014 on the limits to immigration - has resulted in such catastrophic effects on Switzerland in so many ways- that the GVT has not yet implemented it - and is trying to find a way, nearly 3 years later- to implement it in a limited form that will reduce the negative effects - on industry, financial services, massive research projects and institutions, security, Universities, development, etc, etc. "

This has been a point raised on many Brexit threads and we both know the answer why the Swiss Government has not implemented the Referendum result in 2014 to limit immigration .

The EU 'told' the Swiss Government you have to accept the 4 Freedoms/ 4 Pillars OR ELSE! . So it did not matter a jot what the people of Switzerland (plebiscite) voted for in the referendum as a Non EU Member but a member of EFTA Switzerland has to do as the EU Commission/Parliament tells it to..

Switzerland’s economic and trading relations with the EU are governed by a web of more than 120 bilateral treaties that are all linked by a “guillotine clause” – if one is breached, they all collapse.

Like the UK Switzerland was told in no uncertain terms by the EU , ' You will not be able to 'CHERRY PICK' . Hence Switzerland was suspended from full membership of the ERASMUS programme etc. etc. after your referendum to reduce EU immigration.

I believe however Switzerland and the EU are getting closer of late and you have come to some arrangement on the Free Movement situation but am I correct in thinking it needs ratifying?

www.thelocal.ch/20170407/eu-swiss-relations-officially-back-on-track-after-immigration-squabble

At the end of the day what is an inevitable fact no European Country either in the EU/EFTA/EEA will be able to have the people of their country decide what to do (plebiscite) the European Union Commission and Parliament is the source of power and you Remain or Leave . "

This young man did not have the vote then
That is what I thought, like my DGC.
They need to be looking at the half generation above them and ask them why they did not vote. They're the ones who would have made a difference but just couldn't be bothered to get off their backsides and go to the ballot box.

This young man did not have the vote then - like 1000s of others like him (and 1000s of those who voted leave have died since) :

www.facebook.com/BBCQuestionTime/videos/2027905913914504/

my grandchildren did not have a chance to vote either. They are among the very lucky ones who will have access to free movement because of both sets of grandparents.

half generation
by half generation I mean age-wise, genealogically, not percentage wise before anyone starts quoting what percentage of 18 - 35 years did vote and how.

I don't blame anyone, I think we should each be responsible for ourselves and those who were aged 18 - 35 and who did not vote but wish they had should be taking a long, hard look at themselves and how they feel about personal responsibility.

Sorry, it's too easy to blame the oldest members of society for everything.

Our generation will not be easily forgiven for this mess.
If, like mine, your DGC are under 12, I think they should be looking at the half generation above them who did not bother to vote.

Had they shaken off their inertia and got out there to exercise their franchise this would not have happened.

Jura, Swiss referendum.
The version I heard was that they did not implement the result, but, foreigners have to enrol with with an employment agency to find work.

Did this happen, it sounds a neat sidestep.

As for young people, our grandchildren - one young man put it very well on Question Time on Thursday evening.
Our generation will not be easily forgiven for this mess.
I am so glad I'd be able to look them straight in the face and say that I did try to prevent it.

I don't think anyone, whichever way they voted, could have predicted the total incompetence and unedifying back-stabbing and political manoeuvring that has characterised this process. It is pathetic.

We are entitled to expect better. Some hopes.

We started 2 weeks ago, when I thought the cold was finished- and had to cancel Thursday as I was coughing so much. Will pick up next week - he is creosoting the back balcony now- and it is VERY cold- poor thing. We are doing an exchange (and no bones about it ;) )

Now back to subject. Have you been wondering why BoJo has gone so quiet? So apparently plotting with daddy and bestie Farage at the pub. Now that is a whole different kettle of 'Three blokes in a Pub' for sure. Be afraid.

What a relief your six week cold permitted this intensive teaching.
Hope you didn’t pass it on to your student though ?

Bone unit également

No, was doing AS Level when I left UK lol.

Children in Need - wonderful. Love kids - such a wonderful, refreshing change. So sad so many are totally put off learning languages by very poor teaching - all spellings correct, subjunctive and pluperfect- but no communication, nor soul. Tragic. Bonne nuit.

Clearly didn’t teach Italian though

Thanks MawBroon I will try to remember that for a quiz tomorrow night!!

Lollard (I remembered John Wycliffe)

oh yes, very interesting lollard.

Lost in translation - or pure prejudice and nasty personal attacks.

I taught French and German- so didn't have those issues. Some of my British colleagues did make some real clangers and terrible mistakes - and it was funny. Some were fabulous teachers, who enthusiastically taught and inspired the children to learn. A few were sticklers for difficult points of grammar- to compensate for their total lack of teaching ability- and managed to put kids off learning right from the start.

Priorities, as always- I know mine. Signing off for tonight- so don't bother.

Got a young man from France doing an intensive English course at the moment, in exchange for doing some painting for us. Everyday, after his 2 hours- he says- wow, if only we'd been taught like that in school. Love it.

Or indeed Lollards - only one letter different ?

www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/middle_ages/lollards_01.shtml

imo it's all a load of bollards

“Friend” (fat finger syndrome ?)

I remember a Norwegian fruendvwho taught English in my second school giving us directions to her house which involved “turning left at the bollocks”
She meant bollards but who cares eh?