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Cabinet chaos?

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mcem Thu 15-Nov-18 10:08:26

First Dominic Raab, the Brexit Secretary and now Esther McVey from Work and Pensions.
Can you see a way out of the chaos we're witnessing?TM to address the HoC at 10.30.

lemongrove Thu 15-Nov-18 18:15:27

Well, it’s National Kindness Day this week ( as we discussed elsewhere) smile so why not.

mcem Thu 15-Nov-18 18:07:54

One of your more open-minded and magnanimous posts!
Well done. Nice of you!

lemongrove Thu 15-Nov-18 17:59:35

Petra it seems that mcem is quite ok with it, as long as it’s an acronym, and it’s not directed at her but with somebody she doesn’t agree with. grin
Am all for robust comments, would be too bland without them, but I prefer not to swear at posters.
Other views are available!

mcem Thu 15-Nov-18 17:47:56

Yes I certainly do. The poster is clearly fairly irate but did temper her language by using a well-known acronym.
Don't pretend it's the first time you've seen it on GN but please do try diversionary tactics to avoid the argument in hand.
Should we be trying harder to be "nice".
I will just refer you to my post elsewhere about being " nice"!!!
Vigorous language is not used by all of us but at times proves more effective than the pusillanimous and apparently ubiquitous "nice"!

petra Thu 15-Nov-18 17:35:37

mcem
You do know what stfu stands for, don't you?
If you think that's perfectly acceptable language to use.....well.

lemongrove Thu 15-Nov-18 17:29:35

Now shall we move on?!

lemongrove Thu 15-Nov-18 17:28:07

mcem..... I will just refer you to my answer to Maizie
Do you think that sort of language aimed at another poster is quite alright?
What we say about politicians is one thing, and what we say,
As in swearing on GN at a poster you don’t agree with is another.
It shows lack of a coherent arguement in any case.

lemongrove Thu 15-Nov-18 17:21:52

You do make me laugh Maizie... saying ‘youcan never resist the urge to have a go at people you don’t care for’
You mean...as you have just done! How ironic! grin
At least I manage not to tell you and other posters to Stfu though, eh?

oldbatty Thu 15-Nov-18 15:52:35

yes it'll be alians what wil do it.

petra Thu 15-Nov-18 15:51:58

Oldbatty
No point wasting my time.
You obviously live in a different universe to me. You are someone who thinks this country is vunrable to attack ( from who, alians?)

oldbatty Thu 15-Nov-18 15:30:10

petra please tell me what you mean?

MaizieD Thu 15-Nov-18 15:20:34

Yes, MaryE I rather think that my posts are informed and your replies simply prove it.

Your chutzpah, lemon is utterly breathtaking.

'Informed' shock

Shall we move on?

We'd have moved on a lot faster if you hadn't leapt in to attack maryeliza. Can you never resist the urge to have a go at people you don't care for?

mcem Thu 15-Nov-18 15:19:46

Sorry crystal but I see very little evidence of another JC bashing thread. One poster sticks firmly to her view and she's entitled to do that.
Another poster or two defend him.
I think that, today of all days, anyone (and everyone?) in the HoC is likely to be criticised!

crystaltipps Thu 15-Nov-18 15:14:47

Why is this turning into another “let’s bash Jeremy Corbyn ” thread? I know he,s led a rubbish opposition , but the government is collapsing around our ears, (not caused by JC- he isn’t leading any revolution- it’s the Toris own in- fighting) the country is divided, we should be more worried about the right wing nationalists, it’ll be Nigel Farage in a black shirt as PM at this rate.

oldbatty Thu 15-Nov-18 15:11:27

I have no idea what you mean.

petra Thu 15-Nov-18 15:09:31

Oldbatty
Terrifying!!!
You've obviously led a charmed life where the word terrifying has real meaning.

Anniebach Thu 15-Nov-18 15:07:21

granddad1943, do not try playing the disability card with me to try to cause outrage.

If Corbyn does have as you suggest a disability problem with his memory then he is not suitable to be PM . Do you recall when interviewed on Woman’s Hour his aide had to bring him a calculator

youtu.be/svqpPHDaSaU

oldbatty Thu 15-Nov-18 15:04:24

Gill, you were right. Boris makes his move.

oldbatty Thu 15-Nov-18 14:56:50

God, I'm sorry but this is terrifying really. The chaos of it all.

Bridgeit Thu 15-Nov-18 14:56:00

Neither TM or JC are suitable to negotiate this deal.Time they both stepped aside , but the problem is that neither party have particularly spectacular alternative candidates to take over.

Grandad1943 Thu 15-Nov-18 14:29:43

Anniebach, it's quite likely that Jeremy Corbyn has a disability problem in regard to his memory and like many that is why he writes much of what he wishes to state down to text.

Do you condemn him and the millions of others who suffer similar memory disabilities Anniebach. Surely it is how people with disabilities perform their duties not the disabilities that they have that should be judged.

mcem Thu 15-Nov-18 14:22:19

Does it matter as long as he is asking relevant questions as he did today?
He was given the agreement in advance, presumably so he /they could makes notes, organise comments and ask appropriate questions.

Grandad1943 Thu 15-Nov-18 14:22:05

Jacob Rees Mogg has put in a letter of "no confidence" in the Prime Minister with other Conservative MPs being reported as doing the same. So, these Tories believe that to take up a month of negotiation and parliamentary time while they sort out a new leader is quite frankly ridiculous. We leave the European Union on the 29th of March with no leave agreement as it stands at this point. Therefore, if a deal cannot be concluded, Britain crashes out with all the economic damage, supply chain problems and loss of jobs that will bring.

I believe that if this leadership contest takes place at this time the repercussions from the electorate will be totally unforgiving into the future for the Conserative party and parliamentary democracy in general

Anniebach Thu 15-Nov-18 14:18:58

No Fennel. MP’s do not have their questions written out for them, leaders of the oposition party in the past have usualy a sheet of paper with things like statistics noted, I cannot recall one who read their question word for word as Corbyn does

Fennel Thu 15-Nov-18 13:51:47

Annie - as far as I know MPs always have their questions, written out for them in advance by their civil servants. The leader of the opposition is allowed 6 questions or followups ( I think.)
There could be spontaneous comments afterwards, but there's strict protocol, kept in check by the Speaker. Usually.