Cabinet chaos?

The country does not support May's deal, neither does Parliament.

Although some folk are sufficiently ill-informed and gullible to support a chaotic "no-deal", I don't believe that our politicians would ever allow that disaster to happen.

The logic dictates a straightforward choice being offered to Parliament, but if they cannot decide, to the people, between the deal (which leaves us far worse off than we are now) or remaining in the EU.

From my facebook feed this am.

The people who had the idea of Brexit, but were too incompetent to actually organise it, have now had the idea of staging a coup against their own idea, but are too incompetent to actually organise it.

Corbyn can’t be allowed to govern us so should he win the next election we should rule the result invalid and install a dictator instead - that’ll work

Apologies to the person who first posted this on Facebook (you know who you are) and to anybody easily offended, but it made me laugh!

Whatever happens, Corbyn can't be allowed to govern us or there will be a war him being a pacifist and wanting to do away with Trident

Good heavens! Are you saying that there are countries gearing up to go to war with the UK the minute Corbyn is elected?

Paranoia does odd things to people's logic bone...

I think you might have confused your bats?

oldbatty no thanks to those who voted " out " the possibility would always be there as without the insurance of a union we remain " on our own ".
If we had the transparency that we the public should be allowed as to the safety of this country considering that we're housing terrorists, then peoples votes would have been different.
Some countries outside the EU delight in seeing another country struggling ! Whatever happens, Corbyn can't be allowed to govern us or there will be a war him being a pacifist and wanting to do away with Trident. As it is we've already " lost " a number of our service people.

A Brexiteer hedge fund manager proclaimed a good day at the office last night as market fears that Britain could crash out of the EU without an agreement sent the pound tumbling.

Crispin Odey, the investment tycoon, said that mounting concern over the future of Theresa May’s fragile premiership had boosted his funds as shares in British banks, retailers and housebuilders fell sharply.

“I have had a good day,” he told The Times. “Bad days tend to be good days for us.” Mr Odey has been betting against the pound and stocks exposed to the British economy. Criticising Mrs May’s Brexit deal, he said that the prime minister “has given an O-level answer to an A-level question”.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/it-s-been-a-good-day-for-me-claims-hedge-fund-tycoon-crispin-odey-sr3zqf5hz

This is the crux of the tragedy of Brexit. There are a tiny number of ultra-rich speculators who could make a killing out of a "no-deal" brexit which could devastate the country. Odey, said to have a £700m fortune, has apparently offered to bankroll a bid for Boris Johnson to become PM. People like him have no principles, let alone a social conscience, they are simple driven by greed

Well, thanks for that, Mawbroon. I never thought to see the day when I would agree with something on Brexit from the Daily Telegraph! What a splendid piece of invective...

If I was a Brexiteer I would be furious with these “jabbering blaggards” for standing in the way of achieving what the majority voted for

The problem has been all along that nobody really knows what 17 million people actually voted for beyond 'leave the EU'. Despite Deacon's praise of May I find myself sympathising with the belief of Leavers that she has handled the whole thing really badly, though I come at it from a different angle from them. There was nothing at all measured or statesmanlike about her approach; she jumped straight in and said "Right, we're out of everything" and boxed herself in by setting out all those 'red lines and rushing to invoke A50, which gave so little time for proper consultation and negotiation. And it seems quite clear from her initial responses and subsequent actions that she did it to please the 'Ultras', the very people Cameron had been trying to keep onside with the referendum. She just continued his appeasement strategy.

There were Leavers, like Richard North, who understood the difficulty inherent in disentangling ourselves from 40+ years of EU membership and who proposed ways which were more well thought out but would have involved a longer time span and a gradual disentangling, rather than a sudden break; a pragmatic approach which could have worked. But she went for the extreme version and has landed the country with the mess we're in now.

Being in the EU has not harmed the UK, it wouldn't have hurt to have stayed more closely aligned for a few years while we went through the process and had the gradual break been calmly and clearly explained at every step of the way I think that the population (apart from the real Brexit loonies) would have been quite happy with it.

As it is, she has alienated half the country, left people in fear about their futures and ruined our reputation as a sensible and pragmatic nation.

Great article to find Mawbroon, states precisely just what the situation is.

However, the threat to Theresa Mays premiership seems to be " fizzling out" this morning from the ERG group within the Conservative party, but the threat from the DUP seems to have dramatically increased.

However, I feel that very few (including me) would welcome a General Election this side of Christmas or even prior to Brexit Day on March 29th.

Let's hope that the "sensible" MPs from the Two main parties in the House of Commons can at last work together and "get us out of this mess"

That stated, I feel that may not happen.

Yes, indeed, Maw, how would they do it? I want to hear a serious alternative to the present deal so that I can consider it and form an opinion of my own. Not that I have a say any more, of course but I would like to have an opinion based on some sort of reasonable argument. If I was a Brexiteer I would be furious with these “jabbering blaggards” for standing in the way of achieving what the majority voted for and start to challenge the ERG to justify their objections.

If you will forgive a “cut n paste” I liked what Michael Deacon said at the weekend in the Telegraph

Mrs May has acted with dignity, composure, and class.
Which is more than you can say for the crew of charlatans plotting to depose her
This is because the so-called “European Research Group” on the Conservative backbenches is stuffed with the most risible crowd of fantasists, crackpots and dunderheads to be found anywhere outside the comments section below a YouTube video about chemtrails. In the Commons on Thursday, these jabbering braggarts spent three solid hours rubbishing the Prime Minister and her proposed deal without once, any of them, explaining how they would have done it better. They’re terribly good, these people, at saying what they want: perfect control, immaculate sovereignty, trillion-pound trade deals with Easter Island. But for some reason they always have precious little to say about how they, in the real world as opposed to their daydreams, would achieve it
They seem to imagine that negotiating with the EU – an entity vastly bigger, richer and more powerful than the UK – is a doddle. It appears not to have occurred to them that Michel Barnier might actually be quite a difficult person to dupe. Perhaps the problem is the company they keep. After all, if the only people you regularly encounter in day-to-day political life are your fellow morons, then I suppose it’s only natural to assume that everyone else in politics must be a moron, too

As with all nay sayers of whatever party, the only valid response seems to me “Well how would you do it?”

Rees Mogg et al all look a little foolish now - they've gone quiet after their initial flurry of excitement and grandstanding speeches

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I think the 20 letters refers to the number gone public not the total. Either was what’s taking GB so long?

I wonder if JRM delivered his own letter or if nanny did it for him?

20 letters now

Liam Fox, the international trade secretary said "Coming to a free trade agreement with the EU should be "one of the easiest in human history" because our rules and laws are already the same".

We haven't heard much from him recently. Is he still there?

The whips have been called back to London

My feeling at the moment (and it might be wishful thinking) is that the 1922 committee vote will not happen or at the very most only 30ish will vote against TM. I’m hoping that JRM has overplayed his hand and that more people are realising he is the Emperors new clothes - there’s nothing there except totally misplaced self regard. He burbled something yesterday about shoes being cheaper with no deal which would help the poor. He’s all heart isn’t he?

Yes notes, but reading word for word ? No

I don't think TM will resign lemongrove; I certainly hope not. If they want rid they'll have to force her out.

The woman's got 'balls'; more than her entire cabinet before any resignations, put together.

Plenty of people in top positions write notes for a meeting Annie. So He will manage very well

Barmyoldbat, if / when he is PM how is he going to manage at meetings of world leaders

Annie was does it matter with all that’s going on that JC had his questions written down,. I have my shopping list written down. Think it’s a good idea.