Police knocking criminals off mopeds

I wouldn't have thought so. There is no defence for something like that.

The benefit system should enable a decent but not extravagant standard of living to ensure that no child (or adult) should go hungry, cold or without suitable clothing.

Exactly Jalima benefits are a safety net
whilst the recipient gets back on their feet and into work.

Oh Grannygrannygranny you are now going to have to confess to not understanding that many people in receipt of benefits are actually in work?. Yes I know it’s embarrassing but don’t worry you’ll be forgiven, lots of people pontificate on the benefit system make that mistake so maybe you could tweak your position a bit?

And in the meantime maybe you and Jal could define safety net and decent standard of living

I know that people can and do receive working tax credits and other benefits whilst in work.

I also know that a lot of benefit recipients are 2nd and 3rd generation of being “on the dole” and proudly boast about the fact.

I am completely happy with my position thank you Maryeliza.

So what did you mean by this then GG?

Exactly Jalima benefits are a safety net
whilst the recipient gets back on their feet and into work.

As for lots of 2nd and 3rd generation never having worked, I’m sure you’ve got the link for this havent you (tabloid headlines exempted). The JRF would be very interested in your source as they actually researched this area and obviously missed the ‘lots’ (they found a very small number) - still you can always rely on a tabloid journalist to turn a small number into a major problem

Maybe it's just those of us who've worked hard all our lives that have an axe to grind about a boob job courtesy of the benefit system.!

I do not and have never read a so called “tabloid” newspaper.

I do however have knowledge of those people who are experiencing genuine hardship, and also of those who “play the system” and as we are on an open forum I choose not to disclose my sources.

Thank you

Well of course EV all my money comes from the magic money trees in my extensive country estate. Worked hard all my life - what do you think I am - pass me another bottle of Bollie Jeeves and make it snappy.

Having knowledge of individuals does not entitle people to generalise to a whole group of people.The evidence collected by eg the JRF is of a totally diffferent order and can be used to inform policy in a way that individual knowledge cannot. And why do you think so many hard working people have to claim benefits?

maybe you and Jal could define safety net and decent standard of living
I already did that, perhaps you missed my post

ps been there, done that and I didn't have a boob job.
I did manage to provide my DC with food, clothes (home-made or second-hand at the time but serviceable, warm and decent) and a home.

That's what everyone deserves.

I think I'd like to know the full details of 'something someone read on the internet' before starting or joining in a fight over it.

It sounds very dubious to me.

If anyone thinks that the taxpayer via the State should be funding private 'boob jobs' then they need a reality check.

Of course, some posters then have to assume that anyone who thinks that also thinks that anyone on benefits is a 'scrounger' and should be scrubbing pavements with a toothbrush.

Saying that loses the argument for a compassionate welfare system so that no-one (especially a child) goes without the basics for a decent life with food, clothes and decent shelter.

There is always an agenda with this type of story but you know what if every single word was true so what - if she’s entitled to what she’s getting then ( whilst I think that sort of surgery is awful) it’s up to her how she manages her budget as long as she doesn’t risk the roof over her children’s heads or their health.

If anyone thinks that the taxpayer via the State should be funding private 'boob jobs' then they need a reality check

We know absolutely nothing about this story, Jalima apart from the fact that GG read it on the internet. We don't even know if it's true. She's given no link to it so we can't check it out ourselves. I think you're all being a bit premature in your conclusions.

Then there's taking the pi55 Jalima.

Here she ishttps://www.briefreport.co.uk/news/benefits-mum-of-eight-marie-buchan-set-to-fly-to-turkey-for-2-500-boob-job-6032763.html

Don't know why that didn't work. But it's all out there for any of the dis- believers.

The tax payer is not funding it - she apparently has saved from her benefits over the last 2 and a half years and done things like car boot sales to raise the money. It’s her money and her choice - I suppose you don’t think that people on benefits should have a drink, smoke,buy Christmas presents either? Would you rather they didn’t get cash but vouchers instead?

Personally I think she was really daft to go the papers - but there you go

I'm sure my niece who works 3 12 hr shifts a week as a nurse with 2 children and who's husband who is out of the house at 06.30 every morning would love £2.500 to splurge on anything they wanted.

The fact that your niece can’t afford that is in no way an argument against but I would argue that long term your niece probably has better prospects and a sensible number of children and the children have a father. I think boob jobs, eight children, going to the papers are not things to be praised or emulated but I’m not going to criticise the benefit system because I don’t like her choices - unless I knew the children were suffering.

thanks for the link, petra. Unfortunately my antivirus programme thinks it's a risky site and suggests that I don't go there...

But I goggled her. What an 'interesting' lady..

Here's a safe link about the boob job

www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/benefits-mum-eight-marie-buchan-15493913

And she's been in the news before:

There you go. A page of search results about her:

duckduckgo.com/?q=marie+buchan+hoax&atb=v136-7b_&ia=web