Police knocking criminals off mopeds

have no choice in being returned to the same situation
That is the problem Bridgeit; it is a cycle which sometimes cannot be broken despite attempts at rehabilitation. They return home to the same situation.

Clearly lost the argument then Jal you haven’t found my post have you because it doesn’t exist and FYI this isn’t. Australia and no poster using the term on here was being remotely affectionate.

Often they are caught, go through a system they are well use to, come out into the same situation, some will change, but many do not have the where with all to do so, or are have no choice in being returned to the same situation . As for answers sadly ,it seems life is & will be forever be unequal & unfair, but we must just try to do as much as we can to strive to make things better. Better rehab, better backup, moving areas could save some but it’s a human problem that we cannot entirely irradicate. ?

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

I haven’t even said that I don’t think the tactic should be used - perhaps you could point out where I did? There is a huge conceptual difference between dehumanising people and apprehending them. The latter can actually be done without the former - or is that too hard to grasp conceptually?

I thought you’d ‘over and outed’. Jal. I still say that anyone who dehumanises ( not who criticises) young people like this has no idea because they haven’t. You can be as critical and hard hitting as you want ( general you) without resorting to to using words like that.

As I said, to start any rehabilitation, first they have to be caught.

Any suggestions?

How bloody dare you sanctimonious posters call them ‘feral’. You. Have. No. Idea.

Do not be so presumptuous as to tell others that they have no idea maryeliza.

You have no idea what others have experience of.
Perhaps a bit more than reading social work files.

Thankyou Maryeliza, it is heartbreaking that this vicious cycle goes on & on .

No. I think posters using and defending the use of the word feral is rubbish and ridiculous. And how pathetically ridiculous is your tactic ( so common on GN) of setting up a false dichotomy to try and win an argument that can’t be won or even addressed by logic and reason.

I suppose however that turning them into ‘roadkill’ would be regarded as appropriate given how you see them.
Don't be ridiculous.

I think you sometimes post rubbish in order to wind up other posters.
Over and Out.

Not feral then, just charming young men who like to go about politely relieving others of their property whilst waving a samurai sword, a machete or acid around.
"Excuse me, would you mind handing over your expensive mobile, I won't stab you if you don't struggle and I'll just quietly ride off on my stolen moped. Thanks so much".

That sounds a bit more cultivated, doesn't it.
Bless
(to use your patronising term maryeliza)

I suppose however that turning them into ‘roadkill’ would be regarded as appropriate given how you see them.

Non sequitur there Jal and stop being so disingenuous
Déjà vu, déjà vu, déjà vu

Feral = not domesticated or cultivated

If you want the Australian definition that is:
a person with an unconventional appearance and lifestyle, and anti-establishment views.

Excellent post Brid trying to understand is not making excuses. One job I had involved reading social work files - some of them were heartbreaking - young people of 15/16 who had never ever had a prayer with lives and experiences that the vast majority of us could never imagine. How bloody dare you sanctimonious posters call them ‘feral’. You. Have. No. Idea.

I think the police are doing the right thing . They are a danger to themselves as well as others

There are a miriad of reasons why these young people are behaving the way they do, the breakdown of families, communities, the instability of loss of homes. Some of the loveliest young people I worked with had to fit into multiple home / partner changes, often sleeping on settees, sometimes sleeping in a sleeping bag in a porch or convenient corner of a room
As adults we would struggle to cope with these situations, and continue to function well, schools & rules are often even more traumatic for them to deal with, when home life is so chaotic. These are not excuses but they are all contributing factors to subsequent attitudes & behaviours. For too many young people stability just does not exist.

Non sequitur there Jal and stop being so disingenuous you and GG you know well the word is describing them as animals. Dictionary definitions are frequently another of the last refuges of the scoundrels

Demonising children or indeed adults does nothing to reduce crime
The aim of this is to catch them not to injure them, otherwise they will be getting away on the stolen mopeds and continuing to steal, terrorise and possibly maim innocent people.

If the police can't stop them, can't find them, how on earth can they bring them to justice, face the court, receive the appropriate sentence and. we hope, rehabilitation?

Jalima that definition is why I used the word “feral”

I wouldn’t describe any human being as feral.

feral = not domesticated or cultivated

I agree it may not be the best term to use, but because I think it's probably not strong enough.

That seems quite a mild term for nasty vicious little thugs terrorising others on the streets.

The thing is Iam othering lets you off the hook doesn’t it? Then you don’t have any moral or ethical responsibility for the whole context within which ‘their’ behaviour is shaped and influenced. They are not like ‘us’. Helps some posters sleep at night I expect

Would describe the person on a moped with life-acid-cosh and the intent to use them as a someone with serious psychological , psychiatric or personality problems. A danger to others and almost certainly to themselves. Prisoners who have committed those kind of offences have almost always experienced significant abuse and trauma in their own lives, or been born with the propensity to develop psychiatric/etc problems.
Demonising children or indeed adults does nothing to reduce crime. I understand that some posters believe in simple answers to complex problems. I don't agree with them.

I wouldn’t describe any human being as feral.

How would you describe someone on a moped with - knife/acid/cosh with the intent to use them?