Brexit induced poverty. Worth it?

Some Brexit voters believe the EU countries are about to implode politically so we should “escape” before that happens, wonder how they feel now it is the U.K. that is imploding politically?

Gareth Southgate has said there there were "racial undertones" to the Brexit vote.

The England manager spoke out about the power of football to bring people together and the part it can play in the country's struggle to find a "modern identity". And he said that one of the reasons he felt young people would engage with the England team during the World Cup was because it was as diverse as modern England.

Speaking in an ITV documentary on the inspiring rise of black footballers he said: "I didn't like the connotations around Brexit there were some generational opinions about what modern Britain should look like. "We felt that young people in particular would connect with our guys because they must have been confused after Brexit because for me a lot of the undertones of the voting on Brexit were racial undertones."

England's unexpected success in the World Cup in Russia boosted the public mood as the young squad made their way through the tournament. And it became a moment for the whole country to come together - regardless of their politics.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/gareth-southgate-says-were-racial-13665569

It’s disturbing that Leave campaigners are so ready to dismiss as ‘scaremongering’ two independent professional reports on the economy that come to the same conclusion, and then themselves hold forth about nebulous ‘plans’ for a European army and a European bank as though already set in stone. Pots and kettles?
The leaders of these same Brexiteers declared throughout the first half of 2016 that they would never accept a 52:48% remain result as conclusive, yet now round on Remainers for challenging the validity of statements such as ‘the nation voted to leave’. For that reason I now doubt that a second referendum will mend matters.
It is the Tory-led Brexiteers who have led us into this appalling mess and now blame everyone else, including as other posters have said taking our membership of the EU to be responsible for the state of our hospitals, schools and roads.

The hardest thing about watching the results on referendum night was Sunderland voting Leave. If ever a region had a real reason to be grateful for the EU it was Sunderland. Nissan moved there because of access to the EU market. It's reckoned that some 37,000 jobs in the area are dependent on Nissan and they will go if we leave. The NE can't afford that.

People I spoke to in the aftermath were so confident that Nissan needed their highly skilled and efficient British workforce so much that they wouldn't relocate. Blind to the fact that other EU nationals apart from the Brits are capable of being highly skilled and efficient. I think they've swung to Remain now but is it too late?

Actually TM ruled out a deal with Corbyn regarding a Norway style deal - at least for now.

I saw the immigration figures yesterday EU migrants well down but the increase in migration from all country's was 280,000 so much for getting net increase below 100,000

And we still haven't got enough doctors and nurses

It’s hard isn’t it Lazi not to conclude that that’s because the government couldn’t give the proverbial about areas of deprivation and those suffering most from austerity . Remember all the hype about the Northern Powerhouse and GO in his hard hat and hi-vis jacket? Remember TM’s speech on the steps of Downing Street when she first became PM. Sheer sheer lying hypocrisy.

I have looked at studies about why people voted the way they did in the Referendum, and whilst obviously they cannot discern individual reasons they look at the demographics. There's no doubt that immigration played a part in vote Leave, but so did deprivation in areas that have seen the biggest cuts in local services. Ironically if the economic predictions are correct then whatever type of Brexit we achieve, those hit the hardest by the austerity cuts will suffer the most post Brexit.

Jalima: ^”...many people think that, with our ever closer union to the EU, we were distancing ourselves from our Commonwealth brothers and sisters.^”

I can see that this is a concern for them. However, we are now distancing ourselves from our European neighbours. It's all very well to say we must now restrict immigration from EU-countries. Careful – they may no longer wish to come.

Anyone thinking there is no racism in the UK is sadly in cloud cuckoo land. There have many racist incidents linked to Brexit unfortunately.

varian from what I can see by reading the posts on GN I have not seen any racist posts from Leavers

There is a world outside Gnet, Nn3; I think that's the one varian is talking about. A world in which racism, sadly, still exists.

varian from what I can see by reading the posts on GN I have not seen any racist posts from Leavers it's you who keeps posting about immigrants and what colour they are. It seems to me from your posts you prefer the white EU immigrants not the black and brown ones, so instead of keep calling Leavers racist perhaps you should take a good look at yourself in the mirror.

The only reason May has rejected a Norway style Brexit is because it include FOM, thus acknowledging that it was halting immigration that was top of most Brexiteers wish list. She can now say she has done this with the WA. Unfortunately Brexiteers should be careful what they wish for, as immigration will still continue but they now can’t blame the EU.

Didn't Priti Patel assure the British Asian voters that leaving the EU would open up the UK to immigration from India and Pakistan?

The majority of non-EU immigrants are from Asia so I would guess rather on the brown side

Parliament went along with both holding the referendum and honouring the results, whatever anyone chooses to believe to the contrary.
If all had not voted to trigger article 50 then we would not be leaving the EU.

We were making it quite difficult Labaik, especially when it came to British citizens bringing in spouses.

You made the right call, Jalima when you voted REMAIN. All credit to you for giving it serious thought.

Were we preventing people from the Commonwealth from coming here then?

the other thing is that many people think that, with our ever closer union to the EU, we were distancing ourselves from our Commonwealth brothers and sisters.

It is something that has worried me for a long time, although, on balance, I decided to vote remain.

How do you know that varian
Not everyone who lives is a non-EU country is black or brown.

I thought that quite a number of well-established Asian communities in the UK voted Brexit too.

It is ironic that the latest immigration figures show a drop in EU immigrants but a dramatic rise in immigrants from non-EU countries.

The racists who voted leave are achieving what they did not want - a lot more black and brown immigrants to the UK!

Labaik:^ Why should we leave with a deal that will leave us worse off than staying in the EU? What exactly is the point of it all.^

There is no point. My belief is that the government has been so weak and so eager to show that they are listening to people's concerns: ”We shall let you have your say and we will implement whatever you decide”. That let the government off the hook. Take the immigration issue which many leave voters cited as a major concern, many EU workers are now returning home but non-EU workers are arriving to replace them. It seems Brits will not do certain low paid jobs. Whose fault is that? I have spoken to many EU-nationals in the UK. They don't feel welcome any more. How can they when they are told they are queue jumpers and deserve a 'hostile environment'. Shameful.

Yes; I find it frustrating that I didn't vote LibDem as I felt at the time that it was a wasted vote and I am now being told that voting for Labour meant that I supported Brexit. It was the only alternative to allowing May to have total power to do whatever she liked. If Brexit was, for some people, a vote against austerity cuts, then my Labour vote was meant to be a vote against Brexit. Sick of people including me in 'the will of the people' etc...

we were never told at the time of the referendum that it would only be an 'advisory' exercise.

Maybe you wanted to miss that bit, but Parliament was told that it was advisory, not only in the briefing note to MPs but also it was explicitly stated in Parliament by David Liddington when parliament wanted to put a 'supermajority' clause in the Referendum Act. David Cameron had no right whatsoever to say that the result would be binding; that was for Parliament to decide and it didn't make that decision.

a general election returned the Conservatives with a leave mandate

It actually didn't. May had a reduced majority and was only able to form a government with the support of the bribed DUP.

Please don't trot out the old chestnut about Labour having leaving the EU in its manifesto too, therefore anyone who voted Labour was also supporting Leave. The GE was about far more than Brexit. Remainers who wanted to get the tories out and who wanted a more socially fair country had very little choice but to vote Labour to attempt to do this.

And wasn't A50 triggered before the GE?

Mostlyharmless we were never told at the time of the referendum that it would only be an 'advisory' exercise. If advisory was the intention why go to the trouble and expense of holding a referendum? the data could have been sought elsewhere. Just as with a General election we do not work on best of three.
Your argument that it was the Tory government who unilaterally made the result binding fails because a general election returned the Conservatives with a leave mandate and a parliamentary vote of all parties reurned a positive vote for the triggering of Article 50.