"There will be NO renegotiation!" says Juncker for EU. Let us get out NOW!

Thank you for making that clear maryeliza, I am always ok when it is pointed out that I have got something factual wrong. I was obviously having to much fun at that age, and I am old enough now to have realised that.

We joined the EEC in 1973 with no referendum. In 1975 there was a referendum about whether we wanted to stay in - we have never ever voted about whether we wanted to join, only about whether we wanted to stay or not. There’s an important difference

Maryeliza you have obviously not understood my post, I apologise if I did not make myself clear.

We voted on joining the EEC in the 70's

Successive governments have signed up to treaties, Maastricht and Lisbon without asking the electorate.

Macron, Merkel (and probably her successor) are aiming towards 'The Federal States of Europe".

That is why I voted leave.

Here’s some facts

www.parliament.uk/get-involved/elections/referendums-held-in-the-uk/

The country did not vote to join the EU - why can’t people get that fact straight? We had a referendum about whether we wanted to stay in - we were already in. <sigh>

Good analogy, If I play the lottery it is my choice, I was several weeks under voting age when the country voted to join the EEC, but that is our system.

This is the first time in my voting life I have had the opportunity to have a say of being sucked into The Federal States of Europe.

Councils etc have to apply to the EU for funding, the EU then decides which if any it will contribute to.

Like you can apply to the National Lottery for funding but they decide who they will award it too?

How cheeky of it considering that the money comes from the taxpayer. Why can't they decide how it's spent? Let's take back control of our money from the National Lottery!

For the first time I'm beginning to enjoy Brexit, after loosing the leadership challenge the leavers have lost any chance of control and are throwing their toys out of the Pram.

They can now shout and scream just like two year olds they can't touch her now, but it's going to be fun watching them.

TM can choose her battleground now, play for time, probably the only thing that might stop her is JC winning a 2nd referendum vote.

So the EU do decide on projects which as I said is a good thing.

Councils etc have to apply to the EU for funding, the EU then decides which if any it will contribute to.

Sorry if this offends, but it is factual.

Not according to GrannyGravy on previous page. You better tell her that the EU aren't as overbearing as she seems to think. Certain funds can be applied for, but I don't think tax cuts for the wealthy is one.

suzied
The EU do not decide on projects.
Would you allow me to come to your house and put my choice of suite in your lounge without asking you? Its the same for the EU they do not unilateraly decide on which projects to fund. Sadly too many people feel that the EU is some sort of benevolent fund giver which it is not.

Brexiteers could pay higher taxes to pay for Brexit, Im sure they'd think it was worth it.

Its a good job the EU decides on projects - clean beaches , road improvements, educational establishments, our own dear government wouldn't have financed these it would be tax cuts for the rich. We send more to Northern Ireland than the EU, shouldn't we get the DUP bribe back now they aren't propping up the government?

The EU doesn't want the UK, it wants the millions we contribute to their budget, of which we get a very small portion back. The EU decides what projects they want to support in the UK, the EU has only 3 nett contributors the UK being one of them.

Well you’ll get no answer to that PECS but I guess you knew that.

The best way forward would be for parliament to immediately rescind Article 50, allowing us to retain our EU membership.

Of course some brexiters might not like it but perhaps they could be allowed to give up their rights as EU citizens and their votes in EU elections, join the long queues at airports and pretend that they've got their own little brexit.

That’s so funny Maryeliza.
Exactly Pecs .

Why would the club you want to quit and that you have been rude about fall over themselves to make it easy and beneficial for you?

One of the most wonderful moments of the B.B. march was when one of the little fascists tried to set fire to an EU flag with his cigarette lighter - he couldn’t because the material was flame retardant (EU regulations). Bless

I have Ode to Joy as my doorbell tune atm and the EU symbol on my car number plate. The EU flag means even more to me now than before as my EU citizenship is being taken away.

Good idea suzied. ?

I am glad to be an EU citizen and enjoy seeing the flag , its everywhere in Milan. Doesn't make me less British , or Irish, or whatever passport I happen to hold. Lots of British people are sad that their EU citizenship is being taken from them, perhaps there should be an opt-in for people to remain EU citizens (those in NI can - why are they getting treated differently from the rest of the country?) Wouldn't be compulsory, so those Brexiteers wouldn't have to have it if they feel undermined by it.

I am a human, I live in a world of inequality, I am grateful that I am not starving, or homeless, I am also grateful that I live in this country, I don’t feel diminished by being part of the EU, but I do fear for the mindset & backwards thinking of hardline Brexiteers. We live in an uncertain changing world where cooperation & unity far out ways the battle mentality that many are adopting. It didn’t& doesn’t need to be this way. The world needs more unity not less.

Well on the Brexit Betrayal March last week, some nice little Nazis were waving the flag of Generation Identity - a pan European far right white group. Hummmm

But also the Union Flag so that’s all right then