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"There will be NO renegotiation!" says Juncker for EU. Let us get out NOW!

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Day6 Wed 12-Dec-18 14:05:39

So, the EU will tie us to them forever and tell us when we can leave, and which trade deals we broker with other countries are acceptable.

I really, really hope there is a well-developed plan B, because our dealing with the WTO has to be the best deal for the UK.

NO DEAL has to be the way forward.

I think we are seeing just how tied and powerless we will be if we allow Brussels to continue to pull our strings.

lemongrove Thu 13-Dec-18 13:23:59

But you are British, whether you like it or not paddy and it’s been clear for ages now that you don’t. wink

paddyann Thu 13-Dec-18 13:12:39

I cant speak for anyone but me ,I'm Scottish and European I have never and will never say I'm British ...not under ANY circumstances .The way the Westminster clowns have treated Scotland over Brexit is nothing short of abysmal...Dont leave us ...lead us they said in 2014 ..the ONLY way you can remain in the EU is by voting NO they said.Liars one and all .We're their cash cow and they want to keep us under their thumb.By fair means (not likely) or foul !!

lemongrove Thu 13-Dec-18 13:08:21

I could well ask you the same question MaryE !
As for public buildings, yes of course, but we weren’t talking of those were we.

trisher Thu 13-Dec-18 13:08:15

Actually Nicenanny3 your post makes me want to wave my EU flag all the more. I am British but I am also European. There are people from the EU living here and Brits living in other EU countries. As for Churchill and Maggie Thatcher now there are two people who could change their minds when necessary. Leavers would do well to follow their examples

maryeliza54 Thu 13-Dec-18 13:01:14

Whenever I go to Europe, it’s very usual to see the EU flag flying on public buildings along with their national and regional flag - this year I saw it all the time in the Baltic States. Where do you get some of your ideas from lemon

Jane10 Thu 13-Dec-18 12:58:30

Nicenanny that's the sort of comment that makes brexiteers look so foolish. Of course I'm Scottish and British too. Supporting the EU does not preclude this.

maryeliza54 Thu 13-Dec-18 12:58:17

Well I won’t argue about Churchill but as for the rest ?

lemongrove Thu 13-Dec-18 12:56:04

Can anyone imagine any other nation waving the EU flag and not their own?! grin Wouldn't happen.
Likewise other nations do not see themselves as ‘European’ rather than French/Italian/Spanish etc, but suddenly Remainers ( hardline) now feel European rather than British/English/Welsh/Scots/?......what nonsense.

Nicenanny3 Thu 13-Dec-18 12:45:04

How sad waving EU flags what sad little lives some must have obviously not working unless getting paid by Remainers pathetic. Also pathetic to support the EU and not your own country no pride. Frightened of change imagine if we hadn't had Churchill or Margaret Thatcher and just surrendered although some on here would have supported that stance.

Opal Thu 13-Dec-18 12:39:27

varian speak for yourself, the EU flag has never been my flag and never will be.

PamelaJ1 Thu 13-Dec-18 12:08:57

Is that the man who bought a longer pole when the TV company(ITV?) built a stand so the cameras could avoid him?

Welshwife Thu 13-Dec-18 11:52:13

One man is there every day waving his flag - I think you will find he is a British citizen and not in danger of needing to leave.

trisher Thu 13-Dec-18 10:53:55

I'm waving my virtual flag with you

suzied Thu 13-Dec-18 10:44:21

I think I will buy an EU flag and join them

Jane10 Thu 13-Dec-18 10:43:26

I'm waving my virtual EU flag as I read these threads!

varian Thu 13-Dec-18 10:37:35

You are right paddyann. The EU flag is our flag. The majority of the population who never voted for brexit have been ignored by this government and most of the media and were it not for folk like the demonstrators who hold up pro-EU posters and flags behind the interviewers from the Brexit Broadcasting Corporation, you could continue to ignore us.

You are also right eazybee when you describe your hatred of these folk as irrational.

newnanny Thu 13-Dec-18 10:29:25

We'll said Day 6. I have been arguing similar but many entrenched with EU dogma.

paddyann Thu 13-Dec-18 08:15:48

WellEazybee I've always been happy to be European ...as have 62% of my fellow Scots .To us its not a flag of foreign nationals its a flag that represents a UNITED europe where we would be on exactly the same footing as every other nation...you know just like the UK is.Brexit is taking away our rights and frankly I dont believe some of the absurd comments from leavers on here .They must live in a parallel universe .We need to revoke article 50...we can ,we just need someone brave enough to do it !

eazybee Thu 13-Dec-18 07:58:37

Two things struck me after The Vote last night.
One) After surviving the vote of no confidence the Prime Minister immediately flies back to Brussels in her long-playing role of supplicant, instead of attempting to restore unity within her party and with her MPs.
Two) I am developing an irrational hatred for the group of people who are constantly waving the EU flag, representing a group of foreign nations, in front of the British Houses of Parliament, and attempt to disrupt any interview with their inane chanting and flag waving.

Davidhs Thu 13-Dec-18 07:20:00

Leadership challenge was a surprise, I predicted there would be no majority for a change and there wasn't. No credible replacement wanted the job
So Carry on Theresa, it would be a comedy if it wasn't serious.

Parliament will reject the deal OR maybe JC will propose a second referendum before the vote. There is some logic to doing that, a second referendum would break the obvious deadlock, TM would oppose that but MPs would prevail.

crystaltipps Thu 13-Dec-18 05:48:24

those who claim being members of WTO is enough need to look more carefully at that organisation and listen to the people that run it. They say it’s not designed to be relied on by sole nations and it makes things much more complicated and expensive. We wouldn’t therefore have the promised wonderful freedoms for tariff free trade that we enjoy now as EU members. Trade treaties are not written on the back of fag packets in an afternoon , despite what the likes of Dim Davies say. If we want to strike up trade around the world with countries such as Mauritania and Albania gawd help us. Oh but I forgot JRM has promised cheaper footwear. I wonder where he gets his shoes, I don’t expect it’s Shoezone.

Day6 Thu 13-Dec-18 01:44:22

The United Kingdom has been a WTO member since 1 January 1995.

crystaltipps Wed 12-Dec-18 17:35:17

The P*ssing inside the tent has been mostly by us to be fair.

Joelsnan Wed 12-Dec-18 17:15:38

but it’s always better to be inside the tent p*ssing out than the other way round
Not if the pxxxing on is going on inside the tent!

crystaltipps Wed 12-Dec-18 16:51:24

If we have no deal then we tear up all previous treaties we have including the Good Friday Agreement. This could lead to the inevitable, no not scaremongering but what a risk to take, we are talking about people’s lives here.
The WTO is an organisation that we pay money to and have to abide by its rules and regulations - remind you of anything? what was that about sovereignty? No one said the EU was utopia, it must evolve and change, but it’s always better to be inside the tent p*ssing out than the other way round.