"There will be NO renegotiation!" says Juncker for EU. Let us get out NOW!

Completely agree trisher!

Well said Day6!

I'm amazed this is a surprise to anyone. What did you expect? Cake and eat it comes to mind

Whatever the economic arguments the one thing that no-one can resolve is the issue of the Northern Ireland border. It is ridiculous that those who voted Leave refuse to even admit there is a problem. And I have yet to see a logical reason for not having a second vote. If the choice includes, remaining, accepting the deal now on offer, or leaving with no deal people would have a real choice and if Day6 thinks "No Deal" is OK she could vote for it. Doesn't seem unreasonable to ask that.

crystaltips
There are no absolutes to leaving or remaining. The bubbling dissent throughout the working classes in the EU does not guarantee the utopian dream that many remainers think the EU is. The more financial concessions ceeded to the workers by the 'richer' EU members the less money available to the poorer countries who contribute little but receive much. This may in turn result in unrest within these countries as the golden eggs shrink.
Humanity is so unpredictable, however history does show that inevitably large empires do fail. In the case of EU nation states few will truly surrender their nationality and eventually the federal dream will falter and fracture with similar states forming their own smaller alliances.
If the EU was so confident in its continued status, why does it make leaving so difficult?

I supported Teresa May all the way up until the Chequers summit. Then we were told that she had met Angela Merkel the night before where she discussed the deal before showing it to the cabinet. I knew then which way the wind was blowing.

We fall back on World Trade Organisation rules should the EU continue to be totally intractable regarding dealings with the UK.

In my opinion we should have been telling the EU from the start that they were not our only option.

This very sensible article about the alternative, the WTO, , from The Spectator. (Printed in full as it might not be available to all.
www.spectator.co.uk/2018/08/whos-afraid-of-the-wto/

"Warnings by Remainers about the consequences of a ‘no deal’ Brexit are beginning to resemble a game of oneupmanship worthy of Monty Python’s Yorkshiremen. Not content with claims that the M20 to Dover will be gridlocked with lorries waiting to undergo customs checks and that the North Ireland peace protest will break down, Doug Gurr, Amazon’s chief in the UK, apparently told Dominic Raab at a recent meeting that there will be ‘civil unrest’ within a fortnight of Britain leaving the EU without a deal. Next, they will have us living 150 to a shoebox."

"Those who peddle this relentless doom-mongering fail to understand the protections which will remain in place for the UK under international law. "

"Far from ‘crashing out of the EU’, failing to secure a free trade deal with the EU simply means that the UK will trade with the EU on terms set out by the World Trade Organisation (WTO)."

"The pundit class tends to scoff at the WTO option. They dismiss it as a recipe for chaos. But that is to ignore the huge progress that this body has made in promoting global trade over the past two decades. The government should from the beginning have presented the WTO option as a viable counterpoint to the EU’s hardline, all-or-nothing stance."

"The WTO oversees a system of trade rules for its 164-member countries, which together account for no less than 98 per cent of all global trade. Under the WTO General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (the GATT), tariffs on most manufactured goods between the UK and the EU would stay quite low, averaging around 3 per cent."

"While EU leaders like to threaten us with hints that our exports would be unsellable in the EU, the fact is that non-tariff barriers such as arbitrary health and safety inspections and borders would be prohibited under the WTO’s Sanitary and Phyto-sanitary (SPS) and Technical Barriers to Trade (TBT) agreements. The UK intends to retain conformity with EU regulations following Brexit, at least for the time being, meaning that the existing low levels of health and safety risks to the public in UK products will not change in the days after Brexit. There would, as a result, be no grounds for the EU to exclude our goods from its markets."

"The WTO’s new Trade Facilitation Agreement obliges the EU to maintain borders which are as frictionless as possible, using modern technologies such as pre–arrival processing of documents and electronic payments. Discrimination against foreign products through all sorts of internal regulations is forbidden. These rules are enforced by a well-respected international tribunal which has a high rate of compliance and cannot be overruled by the European Court of Justice."

"While tariffs on some EU goods — agricultural goods and automobiles in particular — would be higher than 3 per cent, economic gains secured from an independent trade policy and a more pro-competitive environment should compensate UK consumers."

"The WTO’s coverage of services is incomplete and would not grant UK firms the level of EU market access they enjoy under the single market, but the UK is well placed to take a leading role in developing the new Trade in Services Agreement, due to resume over the next few years, as well as multilateral negotiations for services at the WTO. Roberto Azevedo, the director general of the WTO, announced that he is looking forward to having the UK back as an independent champion of free trade."

"Breaking free of the EU customs union will enable the UK to boost trade with other countries around the world, taking advantage of WTO rules which allow countries to offer preferential trading arrangements to nations with which they negotiate a Free Trade Agreement (FTA). In charge of its own trade policy, the UK should be able to roll over many of the EU’s 60-plus FTAs with third countries, some of which have already indicated that they intend to offer the UK terms as good as they did to the EU."

"Canada has even suggested that the UK may get a better deal than that which was offered to the EU under the Comprehensive Economic and Trade Agreement (CETA) two years ago. The UK Department of International Trade has already begun discussions with several countries with which the EU has failed to do trade deals, most notably the US. Since 90 per cent of world GDP growth in the coming decades is expected to be outside the EU, it makes sense that the UK looks beyond this region, which now accounts for less than half of its overall trade. The UK will no longer be required, as it is at the moment under EU rules, to impose tariffs on products which it does not produce, such as tropical fruit — reducing prices for consumers and giving us leverage when it comes to negotiating trade deals. The country will be in a strong position to do trade deals faster than the EU has managed because it will not be encumbered by a long-winded ratification process involving 27 member states."

Why is there another Brexit thread.? Couldn’t they all be put into one. No deal IS a bad deal as far as the British economy is concerned, you’d only be calling for it if you don’t care about jobs, incomes, every aspect of society really.

Turkeys hoping for Christmas you lot!

Out with no deal, then watch the EU come and negotiate with us please.

What happened to No Deal is better than a bad deal?
And the "deal" (if you can call it that) absolutely stinks.
The EU and that drunkard Junket are rubbing their hands with glee.
I think, give them two fingers and get out now.
We might struggle with WTO for a few years but we will be rid of these leeches.

Well if she wins the no confidence vote tonight which unfortunately looks likely unless she gets the backstop amended the DUP will vote against it so back to square one, hopefully leave on WTO terms that's what she keeps saying but I've got to the point where I don't believe one word she says, she's done so many uturns and told so many lies I'm sick of her full stop infact I hate her and I have never felt so strongly about any politician I'm fuming.

Oh and it will continue to cost us BILLIONS (to be tied to Brussels) every year.