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"There will be NO renegotiation!" says Juncker for EU. Let us get out NOW!

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Day6 Wed 12-Dec-18 14:05:39

So, the EU will tie us to them forever and tell us when we can leave, and which trade deals we broker with other countries are acceptable.

I really, really hope there is a well-developed plan B, because our dealing with the WTO has to be the best deal for the UK.

NO DEAL has to be the way forward.

I think we are seeing just how tied and powerless we will be if we allow Brussels to continue to pull our strings.

nigglynellie Fri 21-Dec-18 12:54:18

Of course they have their own Parliament and PM,but the Dutch Prime Minister recently admitted that he very rarely got what he wanted when conversing with the Commission! Who on earth wants to run a country like that? Prime Minister in name only!

crystaltipps Fri 21-Dec-18 12:23:00

Dutch people I know thoroughly support the EU and think we are totally bonkers making life more difficult. They know they aren’t “”ruled” by Brussels and have their own elected Dutch government. Doesn’t prove anything. There isn’t massive envy of the Brits and their current political mess.

Greta Fri 21-Dec-18 12:10:57

I do fully understand how one can say ”I don't understand German/Dutch etc humour”. You certainly will find it difficult if you do not speak the language since humour is deeply rooted in language and culture. But, to say ”Germans have no sense of humour” is completely different.
I find the question of identity very odd. If we are to believe what has been stated on here a large majority of Brits would describe themselves as only British. If one referred to them as also European this would be an insult. However, when a Brit declares that Germans have no sense of humour, this is not an insult. It is just one splendid example of the unparalleled British sense of humour.

humptydumpty Fri 21-Dec-18 12:08:32

Great statistical sample, niggly, how many was that, 2?

nigglynellie Fri 21-Dec-18 11:48:34

I'm sure there will be chaos and confusion, the remainers will make sure of that!!!
As for 'sense of humour', all countries have their own brand of humour which others don't find funny at all, nothing racist about it! Italians eat a lot of Pasta, is that a racist comment?!
We have some wonderful Dutch friends who, although are very sad and even fearful at our departure from the EU, understand perfectly why we want to leave and wish they could do the same. Their voice is never heard,they are run by Brussels and see no point in voting! A sentiment that is echoed by their fellow countrymen! How sad is that!!

crystaltipps Fri 21-Dec-18 10:49:11

I think Leavers will all blame the EU for the economic decline and any chaos, they weren’t “ generous” enough and wouldn’t give us special treatment, even though we deserve it for being superior British , we couldn’t have our cake and eat it, despite what that nice Mr Farage told us. It couldn’t possibly be a monumental act of spiteful self harm.

humptydumpty Fri 21-Dec-18 10:00:35

lemon et al, I do hope that when/if we leave the EU, you will take your share of responsibility for the chaos and economic damage that follows - or will it all be someone else's fault?

Labaik Fri 21-Dec-18 09:52:41

Sorry for the confusion; the first was petra's reply to you. Annoyed me that petra can spend weeks abroad with German friends and yet votes to make it more difficult for others to do the same.

varian Fri 21-Dec-18 03:55:58

Labaik it was Petra, not me who suggested that "German comedy show" was a contradiction in terms. I agree with you that Germans certainly do have a sense of humour and hope we can continue to enjoy each other's company as fellow EU citizens.

I .most certainly did not vote to end that relationship. I still hope we can remain in the EU.

Labaik Thu 20-Dec-18 23:55:18

'Oh dear Varian you couldn't be more wrong. I've not long spent the past 6 weeks in the company of mostly Germans in Andalusia, and very good time we had ?
Sence of humour bypass on your part'...and yet you're quite happy to vote for something that will make it more difficult for other people to do the same; I really don't understand that sad.

varian Thu 20-Dec-18 21:12:41

I have never claimed that all leave voters are racists but we can be pretty sure that most racists did vote leave and asserting that Germans have no sense of humour does seem a tad racist.

crystaltipps Thu 20-Dec-18 21:08:29

Along with you lemon

lemongrove Thu 20-Dec-18 20:43:26

Ah well, Crystal you can always comfort yourself that you won’t be here by then.....perhaps.

Opal Thu 20-Dec-18 20:43:04

I voted Leave. I am not a racist. End of. Varian your comments say far more about you than you'll ever be able to say about me.

crystaltipps Thu 20-Dec-18 20:41:58

Don’t hold your breath. This sh*tshow will take decades

lemongrove Thu 20-Dec-18 20:41:17

Yes I know Petra why is the man still in office?

lemongrove Thu 20-Dec-18 20:40:11

What a ridiculous and snobbish remark crystal
It seems that a few Remainers on GN will stoop to any old insult.
When we leave the EU in March, perhaps only then will the vitriol settle.

petra Thu 20-Dec-18 20:39:14

Lemon
I meant to say in reference to the beloved leader (druncker Juncker) I thought he just looked a bit tired and emotional ?

oldbatty Thu 20-Dec-18 20:37:50

petra, if you love your country so much why do you keep leaving it?

One could almost call you a part time leaver.

crystaltipps Thu 20-Dec-18 20:35:38

Probably IQs

petra Thu 20-Dec-18 20:32:22

Varian
I don't know if you are referring to our height or numbers.
If it's numbers then I think you will find that GN established that there were more leavers than remainers ( on GN) oh, and in the country grin

lemongrove Thu 20-Dec-18 20:13:19

Petra wink

oldbatty Thu 20-Dec-18 20:12:03

Which battle Petra?

varian Thu 20-Dec-18 20:10:28

It doesn't take much to rouse the little GN leavers gang.

petra Thu 20-Dec-18 20:09:59

Lemongrove & Joelsnan
Thank you for your posts but as we all know the word 'racist' has lost all its strength now, and the more angst I hear/see from 'some' wink posters, I know we're winning the battle.