"There will be NO renegotiation!" says Juncker for EU. Let us get out NOW!

well newnanny lets hope the good people of NI see it that way.We in Scotland aren't used to having armed troops amongst us and quite frankly dont want them .

The last person to send troops in here was Churchill to stop demonstrations ,they weren't welcome then and they wont be welcome now .

Keep calm and carry on?
We've waited years now for some sense to come out of the Brexit debacle.
Why on earth would troops on the street indicate anything other than peace and tranquillity ?
Take your head out of the sand!

Nothing wrong with troops but why would they be needed?

We had troops on the streets when we hosted the olympics in 2012. They were all over London, nothing wrong with our troops.

Greta, if you had read my post properly you would have seen that it was not about comparing standards of living with any country.
So your post made no sense.
It was about asking people in the countries I was traveling in, did they feel European and as I said NONE of them did.
And as for the large majority of British feeling British not European, yes, at an educated guess I would say so.
How can you possibly think different Greta.
Also, there is never going to be a form to tick with just European on it and I know for a fact that Chinese or Pakistanis would not be happy being described as just Asian and would find it quite insulting.

the only way things will be "looking up" is to walk away from the whole sorry saga .Ditch Brexit its unworkable .Troops on the streets? Is this really what people want?

And, while all thus is happening a homeless person dies outside parliament; what sort of country have we become ..?

Oh marvellous we are spending lots more money to keep things the same. But the EU will have to make sure we can get the drugs. What about insulin made in France for diabetics hope they’ve got a lot of German fridges and the EU will have to give us permission to fly in their airspace what a pantomime, not sure what the troops will be doing, quelling any insurrection I guess.

Next time you go travelling, Buffybee, try Scandinavia. I find it strange that so many Brits like to compare themselves with southern European countries when it comes to standard of living etc. Why not compare ourselves with the northern Europeans?

You say: The large majority of British, feel British not European. You know this, do you? Surely it's not a question of feeling British or European. If you had to tick a box: Are you American, Asian or European? You would not tick any box then?

Things are finally looking up: cabinet finally preparing for no deal, Hammond to release a further 2 billion, NHS says they will manage as they have chartered plane to bring in cancer drugs and have their new fridges stockpiled full of medication, Grayling has secured planes so we will still be able to fly to and fro UK, Patenson is adding amendment to fishing bill to ensure fishing rights cannot be bartered away for slightly better deal, Mourdant is in May's ear about managed Brexit with only paying half the £39 billion in exchange for two years and the bonus is that the very vocal Soubury may resign.

I believe that many, possibly even most Britons, feel British and European. We should not have to chose.

The so-called "gravy train" may or may not exist, but if it does the main benefactor has been one N Farage, who claimed far more money than he was ever entitled to whilst letting down the British people.

As our representative on the EU Fisheries Committee, he attended only one meeting out of 48!

From my own observations while travelling.
I've asked Spaniards, do they feel European or Spanish, the answer, of course is always Spanish.
The same in Italy, who all said that we are leading the way to leaving the EU and they would like to follow.
And of course in Greece, they, of course felt Greek but everyone I spoke to also had an absolute hatred of Brussels and the EU.
There was not one person that I spoke to who said that they felt European. NOT ONE!!!
The large majority of British, feel British not European.
That is why it is my belief that the whole Social experiment is doomed to failure.
People don't generally want the EU, a lot of politicians of course do and most can't wait to join the Gravy Train.

Leavers moan about project fear but create their own with all their predictions of chaos and collapse throughout Europe which they ““know” is going to happen

Precisely, crystaltipps^. Yet when one points out the opinions of *experts on the adverse effects leaving the EU will have they immediately proclaim that no-one can foretell the future

Leavers moan about project fear but create their own with all their predictions of chaos and collapse throughout Europe which they ““know” is going to happen, and has less basis in fact than the predictions of food and medicine shortages which the government are planning for, the collapse of the £ which is tanking daily, the productivity of the U.K. which is the lowest in Europe and falling. Most refugees aren’t heading for the U.K. btw, and even if they were not being in the Eu would make little difference.

I see the Belgian Priminister has been forced to resign because of his support for the new UN paper on migration.

Two points- I have never accused leave voters of being stupid but you cannot deny that many were influenced by what we all now know to be lies, and, secondly, if the brexit you voted cor is allowed to happen, we will all be losers.

My decision to vote Leave back in 2016 was NOT influence by any of the above Varian. Even Rees-Mogg was less prominent then and his views didn't appear on my radar. I (and you won't believe this because I am one of those supposedly thick Leavers) did my own reading around to try and understand the workings of the EU and the pros and cons of leaving/remaining.

Since then I have met many Remainers who haven't done any research. They picked a side and stuck with it, but cannot articulate the advantages of remaining tied to Brussels.

You do keep going on about Leave voters being stupid and gullible and easily influenced, don't you Varian Most of your posts insult the people who voted differently from you.

Y'know, you could be accused of doing that awful, elitist sneering thing that many Remainers have resorted to (and been criticised for) because they lost. Heaven forbid, eh?

There are good and bad people in every country. Unfortunately some of the worst people in the UK have had the most influence.

I have a very, very mixed pedigree oldbatty.

I do though have a strong affinity with my place of birth and the people I grew up with...and with the places my parents came from. They make up 'me' I suppose. My parents were immigrants to the UK, I was born here and for me, this is where I feel most comfortable. I love many places around the world but know I could not settle in those countries indefinitely. I am drawn home to what is comfortable and familiar and where I feel I fit in.

I think the idea of one huge melting pot of people is offensive really. Our identity is important. We see most large cities in the UK divided by groups of people who would rather live next door to people who are like them, who also like them.

People are funny creatures. You cannot tell people what they should be like.

I think the tide is turning Nicenanny

The lines between patriotism and racism have become blurred. There is absolutely nothing wrong with loving your homeland and heritage and we encourage it in the UK because we are a tolerant people by and large who do not fear diversity. We celebrate difference as long as we are not steamrollered by change we are told we have to accept. The Scots (a good example because they have a national party) don't much like being told by people over the border how things should be done or how money should be spent.(I find it strange that they will allow Brussels to do this, but not Westminster.)

We are seeing the rise of nationalism all over Europe. We have to ask why it's happening, and why these groups are gaining footholds in national politics. They do not want foreign interference is the simple answer, or their own governing bodies are ignoring their concern as if they don't matter.

It's a conundrum in a world where people can and do move about. If the balance tips too far the wrong way people protest. Human nature cannot be ignored.
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No-one in their right mind think that "life will be improved" immediately * suzied*.
There will most probably be hard times for a few years, or maybe not. No-one knows!
And it's not just being tied to the EU's trading rules that people are sick of, our Judges have become enfeebled, their hands tied by European laws.
Jobs are being taken by freedom of movement, undercutting our tradesmen. Schools have become overcrowded, the Nhs can't cope with the influx and is on its knees. Merkel opened the borders and let millions of people in, most trying to head for the UK.
It's ok saying pour more money in and build more hospitals, build more schools, build more houses.
The influx has been too much, all at once, unregulated and no end in sight to it.
No country could cope with that.
So, you see the people who voted for Brexit could see that the EU were creating chaos in their country and voted with their feet.

Day 6, in all honesty I have never felt myself to be of one nationality.

Great post Day6 well said. Yes it's OK for the SNP to be patriotic but if you are English and patriotic you are deemed to be racist.

All trading bodies have rules - of course they do, or chaos would ensue. That is a red herring.

The UK is already part of the WTO. So is the EU.

hy would we limit ourselves to the EU when we could make agreements globally? We will still continue to trade with the EU and them with us. The terms will be different but most of the rest of the world is dealing under WTO regulations (including the EU.)

WIKI. "Only 12 countries are not WTO members. These nations do not wish to become members. They are Eritrea, Kiribati, Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Monaco, Nauru, North Korea, Palau, San Marino, Somalia, South Sudan, Turkmenistan, and Tuvalu. " 20 Apr 2018

Once the H of P has stopped squabbling over "Brexit" ( I hate that word), they can get on with following through the welfare reforms, and sort our the problems with Universal Credit.

There definitely needs to be a shake up of some of our vital services, Mental Health, sort out the vast differences in buying power between different Health Authorities and Councils.

They have already started with giving people more in work benefits whilst on Zero Hour contracts. There was a piece in The Guardian with regard to McDonalds offering those employees on Zero Hours a "proper contract" 70% declined as they preferred the flexibility of Zero Hours.

We are a proud nation, we have nothing to fear leaving the EU, just let's get on with it.