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"There will be NO renegotiation!" says Juncker for EU. Let us get out NOW!

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Day6 Wed 12-Dec-18 14:05:39

So, the EU will tie us to them forever and tell us when we can leave, and which trade deals we broker with other countries are acceptable.

I really, really hope there is a well-developed plan B, because our dealing with the WTO has to be the best deal for the UK.

NO DEAL has to be the way forward.

I think we are seeing just how tied and powerless we will be if we allow Brussels to continue to pull our strings.

MaizieD Tue 18-Dec-18 14:46:22

And only a Brexsh*tter would think the opposite.

Nicenanny3 Tue 18-Dec-18 14:07:07

Only a remoaner would think thathmm

MaizieD Tue 18-Dec-18 12:29:44

P.S the fact that the EU has agreed to inviting the UK to join the CTC rather belies its image as an evil bully out to punish us...

MaizieD Tue 18-Dec-18 12:27:45

Well, that's a tiny thing, GG13 and a relief for the citizens of Dover, but it still doesn't solve a host of problems. In transport alone there is till the question of permits and recognition of drivers' qualifications. Among others the Irish border is still a major problem and the issue of international confidence in a country which reneges on its obligations and unilaterally breaks agreements. Who will want to make trade agreements with perfidious Albion?

GrannyGravy13 Tue 18-Dec-18 10:47:17

The UK and EU have agreed to the Common Transit Convention in the event of a no deal Brexit.

This means that paperwork, duties etc will be done at final destination.

No delays at ports, project fear is beginning to be overturned step by step.

MaizieD Sun 16-Dec-18 10:47:16

As I understand it, petra, without a customs union 'frictionless trade' becomes difficult or impossible because of the non-tariff barriers in place.

Non-tariff barriers add to the cost of exporting.

Examples are given here.

www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/non-tariff-barriers

Labaik Sun 16-Dec-18 00:28:15

'Brexit has been so stressful for myself and my company that i had a heart attack and lost 6 employees. The cost of imported goods spiralled , we had extra work planning for uncertainty , the extra stress led to staff giving up who were unable to cope with the added stress , several EU employees left the extra work load meant myself and others had to be medically treated for stress and I had a heart attack . Ironically the heart ? attack happened in Germany at the end of a Euro tour to drum up support 400 miles a day driving and 4 big meetings a day proved too much and I had a heart attack in Düsseldorf where I had arrived to exhibit at the biggest healthcare trade fair in the world Medica Dusseldorf. The only consolation was the abuksbce arrived in 10 minutes and within a few hours they operated at a Dusseldorf hospital where the treatment was free and world class . Both my grandfathers were regular volunteers fighting in both world wars I felt my heritage was to rebuild bridges . The company that I founded A1 Pharmaceuticals Plc is the longest consecutive exhibitor and the biggest Pharmacy show and medical exhibitions in Europe . Brexit has literally left be heart broken because I spent my whole career over 30 years building bridges with Europe the success of which lead to a Queens award in 2012 and the Sunday times top 100' .
...just read this on facebook; I'd like to ask anyone who voted to leave the EU to justify their vote after reading something like this.

Bridgeit Sat 15-Dec-18 23:40:44

Totally agree with you mcem

mcem Sat 15-Dec-18 21:46:46

And in time to come when folk are complaining e.g. about increases in food prices, many will blame the government of the time and will never understand that the inevitable financial difficulties are a direct result of bloody brexit. A few years from now they'll blank out the whole debacle and place the blame anywhere but on themselves!

petra Sat 15-Dec-18 21:19:45

Not protests, projects grin although the French do have the edge on us on that one.

petra Sat 15-Dec-18 21:18:19

MazieD
Why do we have to have a customs union? Why can't we be a trading block?, and yes I do appreciate that we have closer ties than most trading blocks, i.e. security, shared protests etc etc. There is evidence to suggest that trading blocks are more productive than customs unions, maybe this could be a good thing between us and the eu.

Nicenanny3 Sat 15-Dec-18 21:08:08

Auf Wiedersehen

crystaltipps Sat 15-Dec-18 21:07:02

Well be ok for toblerone and cuckoo clocks then. Yes before anyone’s moans I know Switzerland makes a lot of high end stuff, pharmaceuticals and so on, all very expensive. I don’t think it’s going to replace The EU market somehow.

MargaretX Sat 15-Dec-18 20:17:14

Even if Britain stayed in the EU it will never be the same. Damage has been done. Its like an unfaithul husband. when he returns it will not be the same,

Deal or no deal.

MaizieD Sat 15-Dec-18 18:43:48

No petra, of course we don't think we'll never strike a deal with the EU, but it won't ever be as good as the one we have now. And there are non-tariff barriers to consider, particularly if we're not in the/a customs union.

petra Sat 15-Dec-18 18:36:17

Do some posters seriously think that if we leave with no deal we will never strike a tariff free deal with the eu ever again?
Of course we will, and I think this is the only solution to get all party's to see sense.

MaizieD Sat 15-Dec-18 17:38:21

As long as you're content to be scrabbling for the small stuff... GG

GrannyGravy13 Sat 15-Dec-18 16:46:44

Have to start somewhere.

trisher Sat 15-Dec-18 16:41:58

Oooh a market of about 8 million people compared with around 512 mill. Only another 500 million to find!!

GrannyGravy13 Sat 15-Dec-18 16:08:55

It has been announced that Switzerland and UK have agreed a free trade deal to take effect immediately UK leaves EU.

Now let’s get on and sort out some more with other countries ???

crystaltipps Sat 15-Dec-18 06:49:42

Just read that the proposals for the increase in NHS funding have been postponed till January. The reason? Government too busy with Brexit chaos. www.theguardian.com/society/2018/dec/14/brexit-forces-nhs-leaders-to-delay-their-long-term-plan?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Greta Fri 14-Dec-18 20:57:56

It is true that there is now a lot of frustration in the EU over the inability of our UK leaders to work together and come to an agreement. If you can read European papers, do. One comment on a German site: ”Life in Britain must be wonderful if there are no other issues more important to spend time, energy and money on than Brexit.”
I believe that what matters most to the ordinary people in this country is not the EU. It is our NHS, our schools, our lack of affordable housing, care of the elderly and young. Pity our own government can not see that.

oldbatty Fri 14-Dec-18 17:18:02

Struggling to Lol to be honest. Had I attacked on of the coterie on here in a similar manner, the DM's would have been flying back and forth.

Nicenanny3 Fri 14-Dec-18 13:32:30

oldbatty no only you lol ? ?

Fennel Fri 14-Dec-18 12:19:09

Listening to James O'Brien on LBC. He sums it up well, imo anyway.
But painful to listen to.