So now who's "stupid"?

Usual tweets from the Corbyn devotees

So, it's all out indignation and denunciation of Corbyn for something that even the 'experts' cannot be sure he said.

Here's a bit of whataboutery.

What was the tory MP captured in this video saying about Yvette Cooper?

twitter.com/shahil95/status/1075666516106981376

Over to all you Gnet lipreading experts

This is not as some assume to be a something out of nothing, a Tory rumpus.

The point being missed is female MP's on all sides of the House and to be fair many male MP's have spoken and debated widely on the subject of mysoginy in Parliament.

Many female MP's have spoken of the patronising, sexist behaviour towards them and women in general. Lord knows this year has seen probably the most debate surrounding the attitude towards female politicians I can ever remember.

For the outright hypocrisy of suddenly finding Corbyn is somehow allowed to call the PM a ' Stupid Woman' is not only undermining the work those female and male MP's have been raising in Parliament but shows the shallowness of partisan politics. Shame on them and what respect will the subject of mysoginy receive if they don't do the right thing and state the bleeding obvious?

Before anybody accuses me of partisan politics I would have said the same had a Conservative MP called a female MP a ' Stupid Woman' so I will include the Speaker John Bercow as as being just as ignorant to Parliamentary etiquette as he often crosses the rubicon of Parliamentary behaviour himself. In fact I think Tory Speaker Bercow is the worst of the bunch.

If female MP's especially do not understand that if they can stand back and allow the PM to be called a stupid woman in Parliament without an apology then they have put their cause back and why should anybody feel the need to curb such behaviour on their behalf if they pick and choose who, when and where can be allowed to lie their way out of bad behaviour?

Corbyn has put their cause back by his actions and perversely not so much by what he said as his refusal to accept he did anything wrong. Cowardly or self - serving take yer pick.

So the calling of the PM a ' Stupid Woman' is not the principle problem alone it is the fact the Leader of the Opposition should follow Parliamentary Etiquette and behave himself in a manner that befits his stature and most certainly not lie to Parliament but that point eludes those who on another day, another individual would be saying the oppositee than they are now.

I expect he will hide now until the New Year.

Of course he said it!
That isn’t the real problem, it’s the weasel way he lies and denies everything.This isn’t the first time either.

Oh, I see! Must be true then Annie!!!!??

Diane Abbott his old lover ? ? well she would say that wouldn't she.

Yes Maw, she said so , must be true surely ?

Well if Diane Abbott said so.....?

Diane Abbot has said he didn’t say it, ?

If he'd said stupid people, why did he feel it necessary to flee from the chamber? Surely he would have repeated what he said and defended it when others queried?! Presumably he scuttled off to get advice on how to wriggle (lie) out of what he obviously said which was undoubtedly stupid woman! What a fool that man is for sure!

Humptydumpty the lips do not form the same for a ‘w’ and a ‘p’ and certainly not for ‘woman’ and ‘people’

JC certainly mouthed stupid woman in my opinion and he could have saved all the backlash if he had apologised straight away instead of running away and try to cover his tracks.
Does the Country really want someone like this to possibly become PM I hope not.

Annie his lips did touch twice.

I've stared at it several times and it really does look much more like stupid woman than stupid people, and most lip reading experts that I have seen/heard are saying so.

What is important is he lied , he has often lied , how can he be trusted .

It is not possible to say people without lips touching twice , try saying ‘p’ without lips touching

I am not defending JC; just saying that derogatory comments happen all the time in the HofC and do not attract all this publicity. Of course it is wrong, but sadly it is how that noble institution works.

He cannot be faulted for his accuracy - TM was indeed being stupid at a time when this is the last thing we all need.

henetha it is not blindingly obvious, see MaizieD's comment above. I thought that when I first watched it, but now think he said 'people', from the way his lips moved.

Actually though even if he did say it, I agree with the sentiment, what a ridiculaous performance from TM yesterday - what IS she thinking, mimicking a pantomime when she is forcing Britain down her chosen route, whether they like it or not.

Surely that is a much more important issue. She is behaving like a dictator.

Can he be trusted with his many promises ?

It's perfectly clear that he did say 'stupid woman', but what really disturbs me that he lied about it.

What is blindingly obvious is his devotees will defend him no matter how often he lies

The problem is the lying (think Profumo) it is a rather child like response. I think he did say stupid woman, has he lost his sense of humour? Goodness knows what got in to TM or her speech writer could it have been the Christmas spirit.

It's not at all obvious what he said.

Naturally, twitter was awash with this last night. Several people quoted the opinions of professional lip readers or deaf people. There was no consensus as to what he said. Some said it was 'people', some said 'woman'.

Sorry, but if people who are expert lip readers can't agree then it isn't in the slightest bit 'obvious' what he said.

What is blindingly obvious is that it's personal bias rather than objective evidence which is driving most of posters' responses on here.

I agree Nicenanny it's a very big deal when the leader of an opposition party blatantly lies about something that he has so obviously done.

It’s the fact he lied yet again