So no hope from Jeremy either?

Does personal stuff include Grandad and his office? Out to a family lunch (birthday,) other snippets of day to day events, none of which are of any interest to most of us on here or pertinent to any conversation!

I would agree completely with what GN has stated above. However, it began when I laid out the proposed changes that the new General Secretary of the Labor Party (Jenney Formby) was bringing forward to the Labour NEC.

That was immediately taken off Topic by certain forum members implying that Jennie Formby had obtained her position within the labour movement by "jumping into bed with her male superiors".

That I found that incredible coming from women, on a forum dominated by women, and often having threads on women equality especially in regard to a woman who has had an wonderful personal career in an environment dominated by men in her early years.

However, it would be good return to seeing responses on the changes being proposed by Jenney Formby especially as this is a political thread.

Grandad

Thank you for replying.

I am of the opinion the move is indeed to make it easier to '
' Deselect ' Labour MP's who the ' far left ' of the party now in prominent positions both inside and outside of Parliament feel do not align with the ' current ' far left Leadership of Corbyn/Momentum. Something some have stated would/could not happen whilst others said it was the aim since the ' Jeremy for Leader / Momentum ' formation.

I would hope that MP's such as Frank Field stood as Independent Candidates and win !

When you report this :-

" Even more radical reforms are to be put forward by Jenney Formby if grassroots talk is correct. In that, Formby is canvasing local parties with a proposal that any Labour candidate for a parliamentary seat will have to had at least ten years of employment in a trade, profession, service industry or manufacturing before they can even be considered for selection. In other words, an end to career politicians.
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What about those candidates who are too young to have had 10 years experience in the afore mentioned?

Who will decide what jobs a candidate must have held for 10 years to be classed as having a ' profession ' ?

The description of ' ten years of employment in a trade, profession, service industry or manufacturing ' includes/excludes who?

It definitely is designed to 'EXCLUDE ' is it not? My guess is it is an attempt to ' EXCLUDE ' on a class basis but I don't understand how. If it not on a class warfare basis what IS behind it?

The scope of employment that could be interpreted under such a wide open description is of no use what so ever but it is telling me that the unemployed , those who have not secured 10 years employment, those who are perhaps disabled and not held full employment ' NEED NOT APPLY '!

One of the things that interests me Grandad1943 is that I am told by a friend who is an active and upcoming trade union member that the highest growth rate in membership is amongst women. I do hope so. It would be good to think that Jennie Formby is the first of many. I do know that women's activism is being taken much more seriously within the movement and events to promote women's issues are more common now.

trisher

Saturday

". I enjoy political debate, avoid the personal and try to always present appropriate evidence or links when I can. Others behave differently. "

Hmm ' avoid the personal '!!
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Sunday 10.41

"There is on GN what I can only term as a disorganised network of supporters for Annie which is carefully (but not necessarily deliberately) cultivated. I find it best to ignore it. The truth isn't something which is actually respected on here, GNers much prefer a sob story and cries of help to any objective or rational debate."
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Sunday 10.55

I have never said I approved of bullying, but nor do I approve of what my mother always referred to as "crocodile tears"

" If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen"and please don't stand in the corner sniffing so others can sympathise."
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I have to say I have over a long time noticed Anniebach has been called many things and yes I have when I noticed the comments untrue I have interjected.

When it is known by posters that Anniebach turned to Gransnet for help when her daughter died what does it say about posters who use terms to prove their point such as :-

' a sob story and cries of help ',
'crocodile tears",
"please don't stand in the corner sniffing so others can sympathise."

It seems JC would still back Brexit even if another election brought him to power.
How to shoot yourself in the foot?

Possibly, yes, Mawbroon
However, at least he would at last be honest and true to his earlier beliefs.
betraying the party membership by appearing reluctant to back the idea of supporting Remain in a second referendum
perhaps he realises, more than do others, that in fact many Labour voters defected to UKIP at one point, are now back supporting Labour - but want Brexit.

It's a pity that Theresa May did not stick to her beliefs as most people think she favoured remain.

Pogs good try at derailing again but I'm not responding. It is what it is. I don't do personal. I do do political. I don't approve of mixing the two. Any comments you have about women and the trade Union movement would be appreciated.

trisher Sun 27-Jan-19 11:52:50
although the post was addressed to another poster, may I reply?
That is interesting, trisher, although years ago when I was a Union Rep, a good proportion of members were women - perhaps because of the type of Union which was 'white collar workers' rather than male-dominated industry.
This was very many years ago in fact.

a link - the period between 1950 and 1970 saw a large increase in women members of trades unions.
unionhistory.info/timeline/1960_2000.php

Women in the Trade Union Movement.

I don't have a thought other than in the days when my father was a Union Rep / Union Convenor and I had to go to meetings there were few female faces.

I don't care whether a Union leader is male or female as long as the best person is in the job.

I am surprised however at the move by Jenny Formby as mentioned in Grandad post is opting for a 10 year work qualification to become a Labour Candidate in elections , possibly that would extend to councils under the mind set of the far left, how could a young woman who has raised her family but not had 10 years employment fit in the Labour Party as an equal?

Interesting Jalima1108 and the dates coincide with the growth of feminism. I wonder if the resurgence in one is linked with the other?
POGS I don't know the details but would the 10 year rule be only for paid employment? I suspect not. It would therefore not rule out someone who has been raising a family be they male or female.

trisher

" It would be good to think that Jennie Formby is the first of many. "

What about the likes of Christine Blower , Mary Bousted ,TUC leader, Frances O’Grady,

trisher....you say you ‘don’t do personal* that certainly made me laugh.Or is this a new position on your part I wonder.
Your cold comments about Annie are enough to make anyone gasp!

Corbyn has always wanted out of the EU so nobody should be surprised that he is sticking to his guns ( for now)
Without actually having to come out and say it of course.

I am also puzzled about the 10 year working suggestion, as it would exclude stay at home mothers and carers, a bit more thought is needed on that one.

I am assuming that the intention behind the suggestion is to exclude career politicians, not anyone else.

This would be no bad thing in my opinion, particularly those who were "parachuted" in to safe seats, who have no interest in or connection with their constituency.

I think if he can sit down with terrorists and discuss things, he should have the courage to sit down with Theresa May.
In my opinion he is the most ineffectual opposition leader of all time!!

JC is a career politician, left wing activist straight into a "union representative job" NUPE, would he have been excluded from being "selected" under the 10 year "rule"?

What is a career politician in reality and who would not have been in Parliament over the years.

Both sides left/right of politics have MP's who started as aids/researchers / nepotism are they ' Career Politicians ' and would not be approved candidates.

The likes of Hilary Benn et al for example.

POGS I agree with you, if you have an interest in politics you want to work with/be around politicians.

Jenny Formbies plan that a candidate should have had a 10 year career is unclear.

GG13 What is the point of discussing with someone who has said "This is the only deal on the table"- only apparemtly it isn't, who won't rule out of the talks a "No deal Brexit" (probably because some stand to make a fortune from that) and who has ignored the decisions of Parliament?
As far as Career Politicians go David Cameron is the first who comes to mind (but we don't talk about him any more do we?)

trisher one of the "remain" arguments has been we need to be at the EU table to change things, I guess that doesn't resonate with JC.

JC can moan all he likes but if he isn't willing to talk he really hasn't got a strong argument either way.

GG
Chief of
Take Seb Corbyn as another example.

He is 25 so unless he started work at the age of 15 and fulfilled the category he would not under Labours 10 year rule be considered a suitable candidate , EXCLUDED.

Seb Corbyn is John McDonnells Chief of Staff and he was rumoured to be heading as a candidate to the safe Labour seat of Liverpool Walton , although that was denied by Labour .

I wouldn't mind betting the 10 year rule would be suddenly overlooked in the future.

The old boys network and nepotism is rife throughout all parties in the H of C's, and I believe the Unions.

It would seem to me that this is exactly what Jennie Formby is trying to improve. Has she got it quite right? Probably not but it is a start." The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step."

trisher cannot disagree with your post.