I think it has already been pointed out that a properly conducted poll of this size will be very accurate indeed. The margin of error will be tiny. Most opinion poll samples are only around 1000 respondants, yet can still be quite accurate.
We can be confident that this exceptionally large sample, conducted professionally, will be an extremely accurate representation of the views of the Labour Party membership. membership
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So no hope from Jeremy either?
(525 Posts)It seems JC would still back Brexit even if another election brought him to power.
How to shoot yourself in the foot?
From The Guardian this weekend
Jeremy Corbyn is facing a storm of criticism from Labour activists and MPs after suggesting he would press ahead with Brexit if the party won a snap general election.
In a sign that he is losing backing among overwhelmingly pro-Remain Labour supporters, Corbyn was also accused of betraying the party membership by appearing reluctant to back the idea of supporting Remain in a second referendum
The first signs of a serious internal revolt from party members on the left, who helped propel him to the leadership, came after Corbyn gave an interview to the Guardian in which he suggested he thought Brexit should go ahead and said EU state-aid rules would prevent a Labour government intervening to support UK industries.
varian it isn’t a Democratic Party now.
I think the last thing we need is a general election. They need to work together.
It's a pity that Corbyn is wilfully not seeing that.
Opposition leaders have issued a last-ditch plea to Jeremy Corbyn to back a second referendum on Brexit after he failed to trigger a general election.
www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/jeremy-corbyn/news/101165/opposition-leaders-beg-jeremy
A survey, by YouGov for the Economic and Social Research Council-funded Party Members Project, found that 72% of members want Mr Corbyn to support another referendum.
Almost a quarter (23%) of members think the Labour leader is not backing a so-called "people's vote" because he is in favour of Brexit.
Some 29% say they are against the party's current stance on the EU, with 56% of those rank-and-file members telling pollsters the issue has caused them to consider leaving Labour.
According to the project's analysis, this proportion would be equivalent to around 88,000 members. The polling also found support for another vote among Labour supporters. Some 57% of current Labour voters and 61% who supported the party at the 2017 election want Mr Corbyn to "fully support" a second referendum.2 Jan 2019
news.sky.com/story/labour-members-want-jeremy-corbyn-to-back-second-referendum-poll-11596719
Why does Corbyn claim that Labour is a democratic Party yet he tries to impose his own views on the Party, and why do his members seem to let him get away with it?
Lies as usual from Corbyn , but in fairness to him , it was all written out for him to read. As for questions from the floor,
he read out replies to the questions.
When a leaders debate was put forward May agreed to appear on the BBC, Corbyn refused . The BBC wanted them to answer to experts on Brexit !
Grandad..
Grandad1943 Fri 11-Jan-19 22:01:44
POGS, as has been stated, the news conference was called not to announce anything new, it was called to reinforce the need for a general election ".----
Well he certainly succeeded in that!
Corbyns Speech at Wakefield was billed as a ' Brexit Speech ' and I would think that the journalists who took the time to go to Wakefield and all the other paraphernalia that follows alongside would have realised they only had to repeat what Corbyn has said in previous interviews and Parliament without going all the to Wakefield to hear nothing new.
Out of interest this was interesting in relation to his ' Brexit Speech'.
www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-corbyns-misleading-claims-on-crime-and-the-conservatives
' Jeremy Corbyn is in Wakefield to deliver his first major speech on Brexit of 2019.
But he’s made some misleading claims along the way.'
POGS, as has been stated, the news conference was called not to announce anything new, it was called to reinforce the need for a general election in the light of the almost complete disintegration of this Tory government in the face of the largest crisis this county has confronted since the second world war.
Jeremy Corbyn is the leader of the opposition in parliament; therefore it is his role to seek out weakness in this the government and bring about a general election on those weaknesses if at all possible. In that, was the reason for yesterdays press conference.
POGS, who knows what any of these self serving, lying hypocritical politicians think? No doubt if Brexit is cancelled, those who engineered it will be well rewarded by Brussels, after all who could resist that gravy train?!!
Grandad
" Therefore yesterday's news conference was called to once again inform the electorate of the need for another general election in the light of this Tory government now completely falling apart. "---
I repeat :-
Can anybody tell me what Corbyn announced that was new yesterday ?
Corbyn also said Labour would call for avote of No Confidence , when it thinks there is a chance of winning.
I repeat:-
Can anybody tell me what Corbyn announced that was new yesterday?
True grandad1943 , my word can be accepted or not just as your word can be accepted or not.
Anniebach.
I can’t post a linkgranddad1943 I respect the privacy of private emails, Corbyn’s appearances in public were not only arranged but rehearsed
Ahh, I can see it now lemongrove. Yes, the old voice recognition did print exactly what I said there.
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Does a fantastic job for a mobile version though, with the errors getting less and less by the day.
Even the Legal Secretaries in the office now use the desktop version as it avoids RSI which can develop with heavy keyboard use over an extended period.
Grandad
MaizieD wasn’t questioning the actual number of delegates, it was what you actually typed.Go back and read it!
Anniebach Quote [ Corbyn didn’t go on the hustings, he only appeared at momentum venues] End Quote.
Anniebach, can you post a link to where you obtained the above information, as I believe evidence demonstrates it is total rubbish.
Corbyn didn’t go on the hustings, he only appeared at momentum venues ,
MazieD, here is an extract from the accliverpool.com website.
Extract begins here:-
LABOUR PARTY CONFERENCE DRAWS TO A CLOSE. The third Labour Party Annual Conference held at ACC Liverpool brought a record number of delegates to the city. A total of 13,000 delegates, including over 1,500 UK press and international media, the conference's highest number of attendees to date, attended the five-day event
Extract ends here.
Similar information can be gained from the Labour party website or national media reports.
The above was the most successful conference the Labour movement has ever staged. In that 12,000 were actual voting delegates to the resolutions and motions put forward to the conference from all sectors of the movement.
All press etc had to apply and be accepted as delegates to the event for security purposes.
Link to the above:-
www.accliverpool.com/media-centre/latest-news/2018/labour-party-conference-draws-to-a-close/
Oh, Grandad! I love the 'thirteen thousand delicate members'
I think your Speech to text app needs a bit more training 
Anniebach Quote [ It was a farce POGS . He couldn’t cope on the hustings and he has more protecting him than the queen does] End Quote
Anniebach, Theresa May called the 2017 general election because the Tories had a twenty point lead in the opinion polls and she was convinced the Labour party would be "wiped out" in parliament.
However, on the hustings, Jeremy Corbyn did exceptionally well, and on the result, Theresa May lost her overall majority in Parliament. That memory is most certainly why TM does not wish to call another general election at this time.
POGS Quote [ Can anybody tell me what Corbyn announced that was new yesterday? ] End Quote
POGS, the Labour party policy on Brexit was set at the party conference which was endorsed by the thirteen thousand delicate members that attended the conference. It set out the six "red lines" for that policy that anyone can read by a simple Google search. Therefore, it is not a Quetion of Jeremy Corbyn "flip, flopping" as he or any other party member cannot add anything new to that policy without the sanction of a recall conference.
Therefore yesterday's news conference was called to once again inform the electorate of the need for another general election in the light of this Tory government now completely falling apart.
Evidence for the above can be witnessed today (11/01/19) in that Conservative cabinet ministers are openly briefing against each other at a time when Britain undoubtedly confronts the largest crisis it has faced since the second world war.
Politics have definitely been in a mess since Corbyn won the leadership, and no, I am not saying this because I don’t trust Corbyn. We have had anti semitism, women threaten with rape and murder , good MP’s placed on a hit List, threatened with deselection if they speak out . One thing in Labour’s manifesto which will be honoured if they win the next general election, the unions will be given back more power, 1979 again.
Anniebach.
To be honest given his press speech yesterday I don't see how Corbyn is so widely praised as being some sort of answer to ' some' of those who want a Second Referendum or Remaining in the EU.
Surely the only party to vote for to guarantee the above is the Lib Dems.
He has waited too long probably to make a move and his stance is utterly confusing flip flop, flip flop.
He must have had some brilliant feed back from The EU Commission to let Labour know the EU will do a deal with a Labour Government and maintain a sit at the table when it comes to trade negotiations etc. even if we have left the EU.
Perhaps the Labour Manifesto will tell all but they haven't exactly abided by the last one. Not that any party abides by their manifesto it would appear, certainly not individual MP's who get elected on them.
Manifestos! Why should any voter take a blind bit of notice of Manifestos if our MP's don't. Politics is certainly in an unholy mess over the past few years prior to and since the Referendum for sure.
It was a farce POGS . He couldn’t cope on the hustings and he has more protecting him than the queen does
Anniebach Thu 10-Jan-19 20:37:34
I watched him deliver his speech today. Most odd , when the floor was open for the press to asked questions, he read his replies , how come ? !-----
I watched that Press Speech yesterday and it was beyond 'odd'. It looked like there were more staff from the firm where it was being held and Labour MP's than journalists.
After Corbyn speech it was thrown 'open' to the media to ask questions. What a load of choreographed nonsense that was shown to be. It made the whole thing look ridiculous.
The journalists were asked to ' raise their hands' to ask Corbyn a question and he would take the questions in groups of 3. Then came the first farce. The first question the Labour MP Laura Pidcock asked of the media was so blatantly staged it was embarrassing. When she called the first questioners name there was silence and she desperately searched to find him/her. So the ' hold your hand up' to ask a question was a joke.
Why the hell did Laura Pidcock literally 'blank' John Simpson??? The poor sod had his hand up 'at every question' and even when no hands were raised apart from his she still
' blanked ' him. When he decided to shout his name, at the end, she was very rude and ' let' him ask his question.
Corbyn said nothing new and the splinter on his backside must surely be hurting like hell by now. He used the opportunity and the journalists for nothing more than a party political speech as he is obviously dojng all he can and the Labour Party to hold a General Election. As far as I could assess, saw it, Corbyn hardly ever actually answered a question most of the time the no doubt ' selected' journalists asked him.
Even the employees of the company looked bored to tears and the visual reaction when he left spoke volumes.
Can anybody tell me what Corbyn announced that was new yesterday?
In December we heard the result of more recent polling-
"The polls are clear: support for staying in the EU has rocketed"
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/20/polls-stay-eu-yougov-brexit-peoples-vote
An article written in the New Statesman three months ago reported that-
"Research shows that Labour voters are by far the biggest group to shift, with a net number of over 1.4m Labour voters that voted Leave in the 2016 referendum switching in favour of staying in the EU. The research shows that three out of ten Labour voters that voted leave in the referendum would now vote to stay in the EU, and that trend is set to continue."
www.newstatesman.com/spotlight/devolution/2018/10/most-labour-voters-want-us-stay-eu
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