BREXIT: Planning for No Deal.

There is a lot of "misinformation" on both sides of this debate.

BBC reported that Brittany Ferries were cancelling any bookings made for after 29/3 and not taking any further bookings. Brittany Ferries have pointed out that this is a lie.

Aerbus is part owned by French, Spanish and German Governments, it has received €64 million from the EU in the past few years.

The British say they will not build a hard border in N.Ireland.

The Irish say they will not build a hard border in N.Ireland.

The European Commission say they will not build a hard border in N.Ireland.

So ask the question "who is going to build this mythical border"?

" I dont mind Leavers wallowing in their love in and celebrating pulling up the drawbridge with a greasy meal and a pint at Weatherspoons, "
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Oh dear such snobbery but that has become the domain of ' 'some' who continue to believe those who voted Leave are a breed different from themselves.

I can't wait for the uneducated, xenophobic, racist , Brexshitters to follow .

I am a leaver who has never put a foot inside a "Weatherspoons" establishment.

I prefer my restaurants to have a star or two, (Michelin)!!!

GG I think you have missed the point, not misinformation but a lack of understanding. The aerbus thing is about not being able to build wings in the UK. I haven't heard any suggestion that a no deal Brexit would damage the European part.

No one wants a hard border in Ireland but it will be inevitable if there is no other solution. The point of the backstop is that it would give the EU the trump card in every trade negotiation which would disadvantage the UK.

If you watch the video the SVP says maybe not definitely, and she also admits to the fact that our government asked them to play up to the no deal scenario.

^ It is gagging orders about what the government has contracted companies to do in preparation for a no deal.^

Don't you think that 'preparations' for no deal have anything to do with the consequences of no deal, nonnie? They seem to me to be closely entwined...

So ask the question "who is going to build this mythical border"?

Someone will have to do it, GG. If we crash our without a deal there will have to be a border between the EU and the UK. It's pure fantasy to think anything else.

she also admits to the fact that our government asked them to play up to the no deal scenario.

GG I'll ask you the question I asked Jalima. Does that make what she (and the Airbus CEO) said any less true?

MaisieD as I am not party to their thoughts, I like you have no flipping idea. We are all free to interpret circumstances, sound bites and statistics in a way which suits our ideals.

Whatever happens on or after 29th March is out of the Electorates control, as neither party wants a GE., as much as Labour might be sabre waiving.

‘Crashing out without a deal’ is such an inflammatory remark. If our stupid Chancellor of the Exchequer had released funds properly & the government planned sensibly right from the start this could have been termed ‘a managed no deal’.
I feel so cross & disillusioned about the bloody referendum. I feel the whole shebang has been (deliberately) mismanaged to teach us a lesson by a parliament full of remainers - even though most of them represent Leave constituents.... and some of those MP’s had a thumping great majority in their constituencies - yes I mean you Yvette Cooper. And others - Anna Soubry, Dominic Grieve.

If we had a no deal then WTO rules state we should have a hard UK border.
WTO - an organisation based in Geneva we have to pay money to and "join" btw.

Those who accuse me of “snobbery “ and putting words in my mouth - comments about “lamb hog roast”. ?That’s got to be super greasy sorry. Weatherspoons- there are plenty of Brexit supporters who go there.( along with some remainers and the majority who don’t care either way) So references to the above are not snobbery. Just reflections of some ( not total ) reality. I’m sure JRM and Johnson and the like don’t frequent such establishments, more likely they’ll join Farage at a golden champagne bar along with all the well heeled, well educated, leave supporters on here who would never darken the doors of a Weatherspoons I’m sure.

jalima
The catering company advise that a 50 Kilo pig will feed 100 people. Yum yum.

I hope you’ll be cutting it’s throat yourselves and not relying on an Eastern European abbatoir worker to do it.

Crystaltipps
I certainly will not
In fact, I'm not doing a thing, except pay the catering company.

And now brexiters are blaming remainers for the fact that something almost impossible to achieve isn't actually possible to achieve. First they blame the EU for everything and then they blame people who voted remain. Going to run out of people to blame soon, methinks...

I just think it's such a shame that the leaders of the Leave campaigns didn't actually have any plan at all for how to leave the EU. They deliberately concentrated on the negatives of the EU without offering any idea of how to get out, apart from 'leave'. And of course, leaving would be very easy..

Rather than blame Remainers I think that Leavers need to be blaming the people who told them all the porkies in the first place.

And crash out is precisely what we will do if we get to 29th March without any sort of agreement. Time for a bit of honesty, I think.

I'm puzzled that the same people who wanted to "take control of our borders" now claim that there is no problem in relation to our only land border in the island of Ireland.

Any hard border would be a contravention of the Good Friday Agreement, an international treaty, but if we have no hard border not only goods but also people can come and go as they please. Could one of the GN leavers please explain how that would be "taking control of our borders"?

If we had no border in Ireland we would have no border anywhere because, I think, under those splendid WTO most favoured nation 'rules' we'd have to let everything from everywhere...

Willing to be corrected by any WTO experts we might have on this forum..

So does that make what they're saying less true, Jalima?
I have no idea what you mean MaizieD

So to clarify:

GG13 said:
Maybe check what the senior Vice President said in her Sky interview actually said!

and you replied:

Here you are GG13

Tom Enders, CEO of Airbus. On video as well as in print.

Not the SVP, admittedly but I can't see the top executives of Airbus contradicting each other in quite the same way that our Cabinet Ministers do...

So for clarity I posted what the SVP did say.

Hope that clarifies it for you.

petra that's interesting - I have been to a couple of private hog roasts - they must have been exaggerating when they called it that!

So, in my ignorance [and I don't pretend to understand anything about trade deals etc etc] can someone please explain to me what would be a solution to the problem with the Irish border.

No, it doesn't clarify it at all, Jalima because there is an implication that what Airbus has been saying, in the persons of its SVP and CEO, is somehow not actually true.

Urmston 14.25.05 well said!??

Hog roast? Where? May I come please? Yum.

Perhaps ask Leo Varadkar Labaik
No one else seems to have an igloo.