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Anna Soubry

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varian Mon 07-Jan-19 18:28:08

MP Anna Soubry has criticised the police for failing to intervene after she was verbally abused by protesters outside Parliament.

The Conservative ex-minister was accused "of being a Nazi", while being interviewed on the BBC News channel.

She called for the protesters, who were wearing yellow vests, to be prosecuted under public order legislation.

Commons Speaker John Bercow said he was worried about a "pattern" of women MPs and journalists being targeted.

Raising the issue in the House of Commons, Labour's Mary Creagh said the "really vile, misogynistic thuggery" that had been seen was not an isolated incident.

She accused far-right groups of re-playing Monday's clip and others like it on social media sites to "raise revenue for their trolling activities".

Ms Soubry, the pro-European MP for Broxtowe who supports another Brexit referendum, was subjected to verbal abuse while being interviewed by the BBC's Simon McCoy.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46785357

Urmstongran Wed 09-Jan-19 16:56:32

Probably PECS but this was the dish he served up for us all to vote on IN GOOD FAITH.
I think to be honest that’s why the referendum got such a huge turnout.
We believed our votes counted. ?

PECS Wed 09-Jan-19 16:39:43

It should have only been advisory or have had a % majority that would have made it more binding. We are not a plebiscite democracy. Cameron was a total idiot to construct it in the way he did.

Nonnie Wed 09-Jan-19 16:35:07

Thanks for that Urmston.

Why do so many MPs and reporters say it was only advisory, just confuses us all. I also remember that the EU said once we had triggered Article 50 there was no going back but more recently they have said we can stay on the same terms we currently have.

Jabberwok Wed 09-Jan-19 16:31:29

Surely the assurance from our then P.M plus the approval of parliament that the referendum was binding was proof enough of their intentions?!! It was made quite clear on more than one occasion!! The fact that it didn't go according to plan, doesn't make any difference to the original intention, even one born out of arrogance and misplaced thought!!

Urmstongran Wed 09-Jan-19 16:26:25

Will this do as evidence Nonnie - a direct quote from the leaflet that the government posted (using taxpayers money) to every household in the land:

‘In accordance with the Act and the public duty of the Electoral Commission, a guide was posted to every household in the UK and Gibraltar in the week beginning of 16 May 2016 by HM Government. The leaflet was titled: "Why the Government believes that voting to remain in the European Union is the best decision for the UK". This leaflet clearly stated: "This is your decision. The government will implement what you decide".’

Urmstongran Wed 09-Jan-19 16:21:10

lemongrove. ??

Nonnie Wed 09-Jan-19 16:19:32

No, I always believed it was advisory. Please show me the evidence that I have been wrong.

Nonnie Wed 09-Jan-19 16:18:21

suzie maybe not rape but one got a death threat yesterday. None of us know what sort of threats they get unless they tell us.

eazybee Wed 09-Jan-19 15:19:52

Increasing numbers of today's politicians are able to earn far more money outside Parliament and take a pay cut; some actually stand because they wish to be of service.
I am more concerned about the increasing number of lawyers who become MPs, and are beginning to use their legal knowledge to gain their objectives: witness today's debacle.

lemongrove Wed 09-Jan-19 15:03:31

There are many, many MP’s who fit the description both pro and anti Brexit!

lemongrove Wed 09-Jan-19 15:02:39

Are you a disgruntled Remainer by any chance Labaik wink

Labaik Wed 09-Jan-19 14:53:49

Strange that most of the ' self serving, money orientated, ambitious, arrogant politicians?!!' that I can think of are all pro Brexit.

suzied Wed 09-Jan-19 14:24:00

Women MPs get worse abuse. How many male MPs get rape threats?

PECS Wed 09-Jan-19 14:22:49

Maybe Moggie that is why the whole referendum idea was ill conceived.

Too many people, like you say you do, stick with what they believe is the truth and ignore facts and figures, reports and information form people with more knowledge or expertise.

Whilst I do not support the ideals of many MPs and probably would not personally like many of them I do have respect for the system of representatives i.e. MPs

To abuse and try to intimidate an MP is not a legal (or moral). I regularly write to my MP and also to other MPs if they are involved in issues I feel strongly about. I am clear about my opinion and ask they consider my point of view.

I have attended protests and marches and campaigns. I may have been part of a crowd shouting slogans at MPs on a platform but not making individual or personal slurs and certainly not in a way to threaten or make anyone feel fearful.

GrannyGravy13 Wed 09-Jan-19 14:15:55

I too was under the impression that my vote would be counted and acted upon and that the result of the referendum would be binding.

Jabberwok Wed 09-Jan-19 14:13:49

I voted because the referendum was declared by D.C and backed by Parliament, to be binding! What's there not to believe?!! Had it been advisory, I wouldn't have bothered to vote for the reasons stated.

lemongrove Wed 09-Jan-19 14:06:05

Exactly Jabberwock the electorate was told that the outcome of the referendum would be considered binding.
It was, and Parliament backed this stance.
Only disgruntled Remainers keep on calling it advisory.

Jabberwok Wed 09-Jan-19 13:43:04

I voted leave, are you seriously suggesting that my vote would have been treated with anything but contempt by our self serving, money orientated, ambitious, arrogant politicians?!!

Nonnie Wed 09-Jan-19 13:36:22

Jabberwok I can't speak for anyone else but I voted in the advisory referendum because I wanted to influence they advice given to the Government. Didn't you vote? TM keeps saying she is going to act on that advice.

Urmstongran Wed 09-Jan-19 13:25:04

Hear, hear Jabberwok.

Anniebach Wed 09-Jan-19 13:22:58

A woman surround by a group of thugs is vulnerable , both sexes are equal for verbal abuse ,

Jabberwok Wed 09-Jan-19 12:42:44

Why would anyone bother to vote in an advisory referendum,when the result is predetermined by a parliamentary majority which will decide and probably over ride anything the voters decide?! Surely it would less expensive and less damaging in every respect just to let parliament decide the issue in the first place, instead of going through what would be a bogus referendum pandering to what would be bogus democracy which most people would see straight through!

EllanVannin Wed 09-Jan-19 12:06:17

The suffragette movement told us that we were no different to men when it comes to equal rights.
Why then was it any different to Anna Soubrey being heckled than if she had been a male ?

Both male and female politicians have to withstand the same amount of abuse-----it's part of their jobs/positions.

Nonnie Wed 09-Jan-19 11:57:02

I don't think we should have an opinion on where the interviews take place, that should be up to those concerned. I do however firmly believe that wherever the interviews are done the participants should be kept safe.

As others have said the referendum was advisory. Having advised our MPs we should now expect them to take such advice into consideration, find out all the facts and take action according to their conscience. We didn't elect them to blindly do things, we elected them to act in our interests, probably with greater knowledge than us. I think they are hiding behind the result of the referendum because they are frightened they will campaign for the 'wrong side' if we have one based on facts. Well done any MP who tells their constituents they are going to vote differently now they know the facts.

Labaik Wed 09-Jan-19 11:46:11

I expect our MP's to still represent those of us that did vote to remain; isn't that what democracy is all about?