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Anna Soubry

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varian Mon 07-Jan-19 18:28:08

MP Anna Soubry has criticised the police for failing to intervene after she was verbally abused by protesters outside Parliament.

The Conservative ex-minister was accused "of being a Nazi", while being interviewed on the BBC News channel.

She called for the protesters, who were wearing yellow vests, to be prosecuted under public order legislation.

Commons Speaker John Bercow said he was worried about a "pattern" of women MPs and journalists being targeted.

Raising the issue in the House of Commons, Labour's Mary Creagh said the "really vile, misogynistic thuggery" that had been seen was not an isolated incident.

She accused far-right groups of re-playing Monday's clip and others like it on social media sites to "raise revenue for their trolling activities".

Ms Soubry, the pro-European MP for Broxtowe who supports another Brexit referendum, was subjected to verbal abuse while being interviewed by the BBC's Simon McCoy.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46785357

lemongrove Tue 08-Jan-19 17:45:30

Unless laws are changed, and a person is lunging at another or similar, then the police can only hold back crowds, in this case a very very small crowd of people.
If there is genuine concern about attacks on MP’s then barring a group to gather on College Green is the only way to go.

Jalima1108 Tue 08-Jan-19 17:44:17

Are you coming at this from a purely female view, and not a general view? Genuine questions.
Good question.

I think heckling and barracking is par for the course for anyone who has a political profile but the level of nastiness has worsened considerably in the past few years.

lemongrove Tue 08-Jan-19 17:42:35

Jalima yes, exactly my point.

Jalima1108 Tue 08-Jan-19 17:42:08

they’ve been ‘briefed’

'How to do your job' I presume.
As opposed to standing around listening to a woman - or any person - being abused and threatened.

lemongrove Tue 08-Jan-19 17:41:16

Heckling and barracking MP’s has always gone on ( rightly or wrongly) by both right wing thugs and left wing thugs and all political stripes inbetween who aren’t actually thugs.
Nobody has answered yet my earlier question of, ‘ do we expect men to behave more thoughtfully towards a female MP simply because she is a woman’? Reading many posts on here that would seem to be the case, but equality cannot be cherry picked.What is seen as disturbing ( I think) is seeing men shouting at a woman.If they had been behaving in this way to Gove,( or anyone else) would you all think it was so terrible I wonder? Are you coming at this from a purely female view, and not a general view? Genuine questions.

Jalima1108 Tue 08-Jan-19 17:40:31

Why should interviews be stopped from taking place unless behind closed doors.

but the interviews are to be broadcast on the msm, so I can't really see the difference between conducting them in a room, in a corner of the Parliament building or outside, sometimes in the rain and wind.
We have seen soaked and windswept broadcasters standing outside speaking to us on tv - unless they're reporting on the weather I don't really see the point.

maryeliza54 Tue 08-Jan-19 17:38:52

Ouster = posters

maryeliza54 Tue 08-Jan-19 17:38:28

The point about where the interviews take place does matter because some ouster think that right wing thugs should make us change our behaviour rather than they be made to change theirs. Think about the increase to their sense of power if interviews are reduced and become more difficult? What would they then do next to shut people up?

Nonnie Tue 08-Jan-19 17:28:11

I don't care where the interviews take place, I'm just glad they do. Does it really matter to anyone?

maryeliza54 Tue 08-Jan-19 17:06:26

anniebach nail on head

MissAdventure Tue 08-Jan-19 17:05:49

Everyone should be free to go where they want without fear of harassment, particularly if there are policemen around, I would have thought.
It really is disgraceful. Probably frightening for her..

Barmeyoldbat Tue 08-Jan-19 17:05:00

I believe you are right ready meals. I had a conversation with two families before the vote in a supermarket queue. They had never (can you believe it) voted before but this time they were going to vote leave because they didn't like Cameron or immigrants. Awful.

maryeliza54 Tue 08-Jan-19 17:03:30

Well good luck with changing the breaking news 24 hour news culture lemon . It’s here to stay and what needs dealing with is the behaviour of these right wing thugs not developments in news broadcasting ( whether we like those developments or not). Anyway there are going to be more police on duty now outside Parliament and they’ve been ‘briefed’

Anniebach Tue 08-Jan-19 17:02:32

Why the excuses for someone being verbally abused and physically obstructed from entering her place of work? No different to threats of rape on the internet or racism abuse.

Why should interviews be stopped from taking place unless behind closed doors.

maryeliza54 Tue 08-Jan-19 16:59:00

And there have been interviews on College Green for yonks. Why on earth should all this be changed instead of something being done about the Tommy Robinson supporting fat righters that were allowed to behave so threateningly? Why should they dictate where interviews should be carried out instead of their behaviour having to change?

helenrj Tue 08-Jan-19 16:58:20

I don't particularly like Anna Soubry and many other Mps from all parties and believe there is nothing wrong in heckling but this vile behaviour carries it to another level. If any MP whether male or female cannot go about their business it is a sad state of affairs. It seems to me that whenever there is a issue people feel strongly about the extremely nasty members of society hijack the cause and the decent people cannot express their opinions in this case pro or against Brexit without being treated with utter contempt. This started with young people making terrible remarks about the older generation and Brexit and has now escalated out of control. Whatever happened to decent behaviour and respect for other people's opinions

lemongrove Tue 08-Jan-19 16:57:24

There is too much ‘breaking news’ as it’s now called.
Everything has to be immediate and exciting.Until recently there was news and it was reported, but with all the rolling 24 hour news, journalists chase their own tails all day.

maryeliza54 Tue 08-Jan-19 16:55:20

You can not compare the WH system of planned regular press conferences for accredited journalists with the need for ad hoc interviews as news breaks - given the way the political situation has been since the referendum, it’s hardly surprising that there are more interviews as news is breaking than can be either done from studios or could ever be organised and planned for in other ways.

lemongrove Tue 08-Jan-19 16:43:32

Sorry Maw wrong poster!
I do think part of College Green should be kept clear, a bit like Downing St.

lemongrove Tue 08-Jan-19 16:36:34

MissA ??

lemongrove Tue 08-Jan-19 16:35:39

Maw well, she thinks so at least.?

lemongrove Tue 08-Jan-19 16:34:52

There are many known journalists, how do you imagine The White House does it? Security passes are arranged all the time for visitors there (Westminster.)
The point is, that interviews do not need to be carried out in the street and until relatively recently they were not.

MawBroon Tue 08-Jan-19 16:34:46

There have been comments criticising Anna Soubry but I do not care if she is the most unpleasant MP on the planet, what I saw of her being verbally abused (“Nazi, traitor”) jostled and obstructed trying to get back into the House frankly appalled me. The police officers just stood by and watched too. I could hardly believe what I was seeing and am not only disappointed but ashamed of our police force
A policeman was murdered within the precincts of Westminster not so long ago, Jo Cox was stabbed in broad daylight outside her constituency offices - are their memories so short?
It was terrifying, shameful and inexcusable.

MissAdventure Tue 08-Jan-19 16:34:37

Oh come now.. don't be shy. Blow your own trumpet a bit..

maryeliza54 Tue 08-Jan-19 16:31:57

And yes lemon I do know a great deal about a great deal and am quite amazing.