Who will come crawling out of the woodwork?

I was thinking more of the 2017 GE - the Tories would have been outnumbered without the DUP.
It doesn't seem to be a proper coalition as previously Tories + LibDems.

Sputnik Thu 17-Jan-19 12:15:17.

"And I predict the rise of Tom Watson.....if Labour could just nudge the poisonous Corbyn out of the way....."
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Tom Watson? He has been very quiet of late waiting to pounce maybe.

His track record is hardly that of a statesman though is it. He does have a controversial background.

The lies told about Conservative MP's and paedophilia, proven to be a crock of, didn't stop him using Parliamentary Privilege to stir the s--t. He became to look a fool but boy a brazen one.

What about Watson and the Falkirk Vote Rigging Scandal?

It will not be something most people will easily disregard. He resigned from the Shadow Cabinet over it if my memory serves me well.

What about Watson at the time of the MP's Expenses Scandal?

Watson was reported as being behind Gordon Brown trying to get rid of Tony Blair so I wonder if he has bad memories for some PLP MP's.

He certainly has 9 lives and all is forgotten / forgiven and he has been rewarded for his efforts and reached the heady heights of Deputy Leader of the Labour Party so I guess anything could happen.

JenniferEccles
Oh yes If only.

Ilovecheese

I endorse that view.
Ms McVey has a very credible CV. What more could you ask? Liverpool women are known for being no-nonsense, outspoken, feisty and fearless. She would not shirk her duty and would, no doubt, bulldoze and charm her way through the corridors of power, hair blowing in the blast of air left in her wake. Oh yes! Esther. Go girl.

paddyann
If it comes to pass, do let us know your sailing date. You'll be taking your furniture with you...of course.

In all this criticism of the Labour party, anyone would think it is that party who are responsible for the largest political crisis this nation has faced in over seventy years.

In the above, it is the Tory party that has brought Britain to this abyss, and in defeating the vote of no confidence yesterday, it is that party that will have to get us all out of this crisis.

What happens in the Labour party is of little consequence at this point in time, as it is the Conservative party that are in government if not in power even among their own MPs

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A lot of truth in that Grandad1943. But I do blame JC for sitting on the fence and not expressing Labour's views re Brexit.

What happens in the Labour Party is not of little consequence, Corbyn as PM ?

Anniebach, what happens in the Labour party at the present time is of consequence to the Labour Party only as they are not in power.

What happens in the Conservative party is of consequence to the whole nation as they are in government and have made a complete shambles of the Brexit negotiations, and no other party has been involved in that.

Morgana, the Labour party conference in September set the policy for Brexit and Jeremy Corbyn, and the parliamentary party is bound in support of that policy, and only a recall conference can change that policy or situation officially in practice

However, I believe I have read in the last few days that Jenney Formby in her role as General Secretary of the broader Labour movement in the country has move to change that situation. In that, Formby is consulting to have the conference standing orders committee to be empowered along with the Labour party executive Committee to "adjust the policy" in line with changing events.

I would think that any radical change would need at least the agreement of a one-day recall conference, but who knows what that may bring in the next few days.

Oh let's face it, both parties are in complete disarray.

Corbyn has only got a look in and a sniff of power because a) the Tories had to deal with Brexit and b) hard left Momentum have had his back and silenced any party criticism of him.

If only we could have Harry Potterish powers and look back at the last two years if Labour had been in government and responsible for Brexit negotiations.

Brexit could break the career of any politician and any party and I suspect we all know it.

Most MPs and indeed our parliamentary system and the MPs we elect to work for us have come out of the Brexit debacle looking selfish, self-serving and without conscience or thought for the people in their constituencies.

That Corbyn has got to support ties to Brussels and the EU for party political purposes, shows just how convoluted/twisted the whole system is. He is a leading Eurosceptic and yet will not support Brexit. He works to thwart the Conservative government and for the good of his own career, not the UK. He is a shambling, weak leader of the opposition and cannot be trusted with the governing of the UK, ever.

The whole Brexit carve up is a joke, the death-knell for democracy, and honesty, and I do hope after it many, many MPs lose their seats.

Can any of his fans please tell me what they like about Farage and his policies?

Day6, for the first time there is much in your above post I can agree with. However, I have to say that it was an attempt to resolve long-running problems in the Tory party that brought about the referendum and all the problems have escalated from there.

With the Labour party, the problems have arisen from what is seen as having too much democracy in the party. In that, thirteen thousand grassroots members from all sections of the Labour movement attended the party conference in September and set the Brexit policy.

However, in the above, I feel that no one could have foreseen just how dramatically and rapidly the Brexit situation would change in the few months since that conference. That policy cannot be changed at present without a recall conference even though many feel (including me) that it has to change and quickly.

Therfore, Day6 I hope we can agree further that both parties are locked by internal situations that make it difficult if not impossible for their leaders to bring about the flexibility required to end this crisis.

After all, Day6, if you and I can agree on that, I will believe that democracy can survive in any crisis.

Well, you have at least try to look on the light side even in this situation.

I like all of Nigel's policies and his way habit of telling it like it is. In these times of gaming to employ filters on our speech, writing and thoughts, his manner is refreshing. You can take it as read that have no truck with the pc brigade and no, I don't rise to bait or retrieve gauntlets - I'm not hungry and don't lower myself.

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Heck! * gaming having.

Agree Day 6

Varian, couldn't agree more---your comment on the bottom of the first page, have come into this late this evening after a very long day

The trouble is, it is a Remainer who is leading the Brexit talks ( unsuccessfully) which is causing the problems with our country's withdrawal from the EU, not Brexit itself. I hear so often people saying Leavers are stupid and didn't know what they voted for but they knew full well, that is for the UK to be an independent country again just like the majority of countries in the world. It's not an original idea!

In fact, it is the Remainers who didn't know what they were voting for, as it certainly was NOT to continue things as they were at the time of the referendum. Take a look at the terms of the Lisbon Treaty, which the UK was promised a say on, but Gordon Brown went ahead and just signed it anyway. That treaty commits every EU member state ( they are not considered worthy to be called countries, which must surely tell you everything about the EU's intentions) to total integration in the future. This includes a combined army, no borders, the euro, all decisions about everything to be made in Brussels with no need for national parliaments. The UK will be split into regions with Scotland joining some Scandinavian areas and the south joining France, continual expansion of members of their club...and so on.

This is not fantasy, it is what our past traitorous governments have signed us up to. If we don't escape very soon, it will be too late. People like Nigel Farage understand full well what the EU is up and have been trying to warn the British public for about 25 years.

Do your own research, don't just listen to the BBC and loud mouths like Anna Soubry, who keep trotting out the same old 'cliff edge' comments of 'no deal'. The majority of the world trades under WTO rules and they do just fine.

Therfore, Day6 I hope we can agree further that both parties are locked by internal situations that make it difficult if not impossible for their leaders to bring about the flexibility required to end this crisis.

After all, Day6, if you and I can agree on that, I will believe that democracy can survive in any crisis

Blimey Grandad, are there two moons in the sky tonight? [grin[

Yes, our agreeing is a rare thing but both main parties are split and a resolution to suit all seems pretty impossible. Over recent days I have watched diehards from all political arenas and parties throw up their hands in disbelief as MPs, for their own interests or to score political points, further the mayhem that is Brexit.

I think many people will however question the power of the vote and indeed the integrity of those who represent them. I know of many who say they will never vote again on any issue if we remain tied to Brussels, so I'd say democracy is taking a bit of a bashing right now.

The electorate may, in droves, shun the polling booths in the future. Who knows?

I agree, the theory might be dented because of the referendum, but it will survive. I can think of no other way to give the public a say. I think however many might feel democracy is democratic in name only once the Brexit dust has settled. It remains to be seen.

The parliamentary chaos of the last few days has me almost speechless, and that too is a rare thing.



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Surely NF , was & is the Biggest game player of them all ?

That treaty commits every EU member state ( they are not considered worthy to be called countries, which must surely tell you everything about the EU's intentions) to total integration in the future

This includes a combined army, no borders, the euro, all decisions about everything to be made in Brussels with no need for national parliaments. The UK will be split into regions with Scotland joining some Scandinavian areas and the south joining France, continual expansion of members of their club...and so on

This is not fantasy, it is what our past traitorous governments have signed us up to. If we don't escape very soon, it will be too late

What a chilling post quizqueen but thank you for reminding us of the pitfalls and dangers of remaining in the EU.

We really will lose autonomy and be swallowed up if we cede our power to the EU and continue to pay billions to Brussels every year for the privilege of propping up the EU and being further controlled by its regulations and rules.

It's amazing that we only see the EU as a trading/business partner, when in theory it is much, much more powerful in so many areas which affect us.

It is imperative that we leave and break ties with the EU. The 'crashing out'' scenario is a Remainer scare story. Almost every country in the world including the body that is the EU, already trades under WTO regulations.

We are a huge economy and it is about time we started discussions about our powers, strengths and ability to survive and indeed thrive once we stop handing over billions of taxpayers money every single year in order to belong to this ever-wavering, controlling, failed experiment in social engineering.

Things are far from happy on the continent. We ignore those warning signs at our peril.

Almost every country in the world including the body that is the EU, already trades under WTO regulations.

That is just not true.

Most countries do their utmost to escape from WTO 'regulations' by entering into trade agreements with other countries. And by creating trading blocs.

Try this thread:

twitter.com/carryonkeith/status/1085811023909740544

Brussels/EU/Franco/German coalition/conglomerate don't want us to leave for three reasons.
1) They won't get any more money from us.
2) They won't be able to implement any rules or laws or have any sway over the way we run our islands.
3) Most importantly they are afraid that other countries will follow, namely Italy and Hungary who are sick of the German/Franco bias shown by Brussels.
Germany is teetering financially and their immigration policy is being vehemently questioned.
France is dealing with a wave of anarchy. They may buckle.
If we successfully split and start an upward revival of Great Britain, that may well be the impetus for others to follow suit.

Interesting article here by David Collins

In any negotiation, there is no strategy worse than giving the impression that you are desperate for a deal at all costs

With the WTO option as an entirely acceptable, workable alternative to a trade deal, the UK is truly in a position to walk away. And that’s a good place to be.

David Collins is a professor of International Economic Law at City, University of London.

Full article here.
www.spectator.co.uk/2018/08/whos-afraid-of-the-wto/