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ayse Tue 15-Jan-19 20:46:40

Where is the vote in the Commons going to take us next. Whether remainder or leaver, this is a disgraceful shambles!

icanhandthemback Wed 16-Jan-19 18:34:14

Was it really a democratic vote? Some didn't vote and some voted remain
That is actually how a democracy works. You CHOOSE to vote or not. If you choose not to, you obviously didn't think the outcome was important, you do not get to complain about the result. If you vote for the losing side, that is just the way it goes.
Remain campaigners had absolutely no part in the UK-EU negotiations
Umm, TM voted to remain and Jeremy Hunt voted to remain. They may not have been negotiating but they had their fingers in the pie.
It was an advisory vote
Wasn't it made clear that the Government would honour the vote?
It's amazing how ardent Remainers can just ignore what they want to.

Barmeyoldbat Wed 16-Jan-19 18:33:14

Sarahellenw this mess that we have in the country is not the fault of the EU but our incompetent government who have made the cut backs in funding. Most people come to this country not because the pavements are paved with gold but because they speak english or at least some english.

sarahellenwhitney Wed 16-Jan-19 18:19:00

Pecs. How do you view the UK 2019 to what it was before entering the EU.
What have been the benefits that say we should remain. Many of these remainers waving their flags had not even been born when the UK entered the EU.
How then can comparisons be made.
Do they enjoy observing escalation of the homeless now on the increase in our streets.Many from countries having been been lured by the notion UK streets were 'paved with gold'
Young people although having work are not able to afford their own home and many are relying on food banks to feed their families
An endless wait to get an NHS operation to improve
your quality of life. What has brought us to this level?







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HurdyGurdy Wed 16-Jan-19 18:18:21

So if we have another referendum, and remain is successful, what then? Do we have another go, because the leavers then aren't happy? Do we go for best of three?

And what, exactly, has Corbyn achieved by forcing tonight's vote? What exactly is it that he wants from this?

Does he really want a GE? Does he really want to take up the cudgels and go in and negotiate with an unmoveable EU?

Are these dissenting MPs all saying that Teresa May just hasn't tried hard enough to negotiate a good deal? Are they saying that they could have done any better?

And if we do revoke Article 51, will that just restore us to the same position we were in before the referendum? Or are we in a worse position again? Do we have to leave and then apply to re-join? If we do, surely the EU will absolutely HAMMER us and we would definitely be worse off again.

I make no bones about not understanding this whole shebang now. I cannot understand what the MPs are playing at and it seems to be that they've sensed that one of their pack is weakened and they've smelled blood, and they are moving with pack mentality to destroy it with no regard at all to the bigger picture and the overall consequences of their actions.

I hate all this and I wish the bloody referendum had never been held. No. Actually, what I wish is that when Cameron went to the EU to negotiate a better deal, they'd actually listened and negotiated, instead of forcing his hand.

My view is that the EU is at the root of this whole debacle.

Orosa Wed 16-Jan-19 18:15:49

So the EU has funded a lot of projects in this country?! With whose money? There's good & bad on both sides of the divide. I voted to leave (the EU eroded my faith in them) but this country's government has made a shambles of that for me. All the major political parties are as bad as each other.

ajanela Wed 16-Jan-19 18:14:32

I woke this morning and after reading the news I wonder why are the EU concerned about us leaving without a deal. Because if we do they will loose billions of £/€ and many companies in the EU depend on our trade. They are thinking of their own best interests and not concerned about ours.

I am a remainer before you start thinking otherwise.

Lancslass1 Wed 16-Jan-19 18:11:17

Humpty Dumpty.
If people could have voted but chose not to do so it is their fault if they do not get the result they wanted.
I repeat
The majority voted for Brexit
I also think that the majority of people do not understand the ins and outs of all this.
If in another referendum we are given choices I am sure that I for one might be confused.
The MPs have got us into this.
They should get us out.
Quickly.
They should work together not against one another.
As Frank Field said he voted for the motion last night so that we could get a move on.
Good for him.

Lindaylou55 Wed 16-Jan-19 18:02:38

More than just our nickname in common Lyndiloo I totally agree. Funny how "Democratic" votes only seem to be accepted by whichever side won, I in my little bubble thought, democratic meant, too bad if you lost we are going with the winning vote!!!!

Lancslass1 Wed 16-Jan-19 17:53:46

Jeremy Corbyn wants an Election so the Labour Party will not agree to anything that Teresa May puts forward.
He is not thinking of our Country he just wants to become Prime Minister.

Momof3 Wed 16-Jan-19 17:48:11

A lifetime experience of being a bricklayer does not mean you are qualified to understand complex issues of economics which is what the divorce from the U.K. is!

Bobbynet1962 Wed 16-Jan-19 17:46:45

Totally agree

Barmeyoldbat Wed 16-Jan-19 17:35:29

Well whatever happens with this mess I just hope we don't go back to to the good old days that so many people harp on about.

Harrydog50 Wed 16-Jan-19 17:31:45

Why do we need a people vote.. We voted what's it going to be the best of three

Anan Wed 16-Jan-19 17:28:13

I can see only one resolution. To attempt to renegotiate a deal is pointless. The only Brexit deal on the table is the one defeated by parliament. It should therefore be presented to the people to vote on it. To say this is betraying the referendum result of 2016 is ridiculous. All the electorate (still here) are free to vote again to make their views count. We now also have a large number of 18, 19 year olds not able to vote in 2016. I suggest an initial vote - do we want to stay in the EU or do we want to leave. If the answer is that we want to leave a second vote will have - do we want May's deal or no deal. The people will have the choice and democracy will be seen to be done.

Nonnie Wed 16-Jan-19 17:09:25

nannypiano straight bananas was a hoax, seems you were taken in by it.

Please stop and think everyone. At the moment we don't have to be part of the EU and we have a veto which not everyone has. If we leave and then decide it was a mistake the terms on which we return will be a lot worse than the special privileges we have now.

Sorry I'm going to shout because so far I haven't had an answer even though I have been saying it for months.

WHY ARE LEAVERS WORRIED ABOUT ANOTHER VOTE? IF THEY ARE SO SURE THE MAJORITY AGREE WITH THEM THEY SHOULD BE GLAD OF ANOTHER VOTE TO CONFIRM THEIR OPINIONS

POGS Wed 16-Jan-19 17:03:19

Munof3

" The referendum should never have happened the average person is not educated enough to understand the full implications."
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So referendums should never take place or only well educated people should have the right to vote?

Are you saying only we'll educated people voted Remain?

Do you believe people may not be well educated but hold a lifetime of knowledge through experience, employment etc.

VIOLETTE Wed 16-Jan-19 17:02:38

Indeed...lest we forget !

MawBroon Wed 16-Jan-19 17:02:11

Violette Szabo was of course born in Paris (Franco- British)

Lily65 Wed 16-Jan-19 16:57:54

Yes, I have indeed heard of her. I had relatives who fought too.

No Britain did not win the war. Britain and its allies including of course Polish fighters won the war.

So there is a certain irony in the fact that people from Poland and what was previously the Empire are so despised by some on these forums.

Pollaidh Wed 16-Jan-19 16:57:47

Agreed HumptyDumpty - I was quoting Lancslass with whom I absolutely disagree. I wanted the David Lammy speech to make my case for me. Just trying to be too clever! Did you watch the video?

Momof3 Wed 16-Jan-19 16:56:17

This isn’t a game!! this is people’s lives, jobs, their financial futures.

Jabberwok Wed 16-Jan-19 16:52:07

Why is it hilarious that Britain ( and her allies) won the war Lily65? My father was killed in that 'hilarious ' war, five weeks before I was born. My stepfather was a 'guest of the Japanese for 4 1/2 years in that war that some of us now find 'hilarious ' Just curious as to why a devastating war won with such bravery and tenacity by VERY young extremely brave men and women, Violette Zarbo (sp), comes to mind, (ever heard of her?) seem to generate sarcasm or hilarity?!

Lily65 Wed 16-Jan-19 16:52:05

well said Mom. Cameron was basically like a little boy showing off at a birthday party. The next day when reality dawned it wasn't so funny.

Momof3 Wed 16-Jan-19 16:48:01

Do you have at least a degree in economics/politics or some kind of great understanding of the world economy.

You must be very highly educated to think the worlds most experienced economists and leaders of trade are wrong.

The referendum should never have happened the average person is not educated enough to understand the full implications.

sarahellenwhitney Wed 16-Jan-19 16:47:33

Labaik
The EU, was akin to a marriage / partnership .Not always does the marriage/partnership live up to expectations. Hence divorce /annulment





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