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ayse Tue 15-Jan-19 20:46:40

Where is the vote in the Commons going to take us next. Whether remainder or leaver, this is a disgraceful shambles!

pheasant75 Wed 16-Jan-19 16:41:47

Do your home work on the EU .we voted to leave and we should have left don,t bring in the UK nationals who left the EU has had too much time to make life difficult for the UK
when we have a general election, we cant have another vote like it or not we have voted .

VIOLETTE Wed 16-Jan-19 16:27:30

Don't let us forget there were an awful lot of British nationals who were unable to vote ...Cameron was always promising to amend the 15 year rule and allow (as all other countries do) any British National living or working abroad, a vote in the UK decisions. I have been shouted down and told that we (as a ex pat ) should NOT be interested in UK Politics as we left the UK ...BUT as UK Pensioners what the UK does DOES affect us ...mostly in a disadvantageous way ...as in ...we are not entitled to the fuel allowance, or much else come to that ...fair enough, we left, as we are often told but SOME left to work in the EU (teachers, scientists, etc) encouraged by reciprocal rights agreements ...it is now likely that they will have to give up their jobs for an EU National ....whereas in the UK ANYONE BUT UK Nationals seems able to have a preference ! Obviously I voted remain ...and it was a very narrow 'victory' for the Leave side ...I hope they will be proud of themselves when it all goes pear shaped ..oh, sorry, as already on here, they are blaming those who voted REMAIN .....sacre bleu !!!!angry

moggie57 Wed 16-Jan-19 16:14:01

i agree maizie d. had it gone the other way and remained would there be another referendum .no there would not.we don't need to give Europe 93 BILLION TO LEAVE. we need that money to fund our WONDERFUL NHS. and wonderful it is .its FREE.

humptydumpty Wed 16-Jan-19 16:13:07

Pollaidh 15:12

"Just because the result does not please everyone ,it did please the majority"

that's the majority who voted, not the majority of the electorate.

Lily65 Wed 16-Jan-19 16:09:04

Britain won the war ( hilarious)

moggie57 Wed 16-Jan-19 16:08:19

back in the 1970's when we joined the europeasn common market ,we were not given the option whether we wanted to join or not.i think david cameron should have not resigned and seen this through to the end. instead it has turned into a shambles. even more reason why we should get out.

moggie57 Wed 16-Jan-19 16:04:34

yes there should have been a vote . you want to read the list of EU rules.for britain..

PECS Wed 16-Jan-19 15:52:21

Leads not leds!

PECS Wed 16-Jan-19 15:51:06

My view is that the way the referendum was set up was 'undemocratic' . In this country we have a Parliamentary Democracy. We vote for MPs to make major decisions on our behalf. It is their job to do the research, find out about the pros & cons etc of the issues they are voting on. Cameron, when deciding to hold a referendum, should have said it was to inform Parliament of the electorates opinion. To help MPs make the decisions we have elected (and pay) them to make. He did not have to make it a decisive referendum. He could have also said a certain %age for one way other the other would trigger a policy response.
As it turned out the country was pretty much split down the middle and did not give either Leave or Remain a clear mandate.
Sadly Cameron was too stupid to build in these safeguards and so we find ourselves with this debacle now! Whatever the next steps, whoever takes the country on... Tory/Labour or other... has first got to clear up a great big steaming pile that was totally avoidable.
It is a no -win situation for whoever leds the next stage.

Blinko Wed 16-Jan-19 15:40:30

Sorry, that should be SEW.

Blinko Wed 16-Jan-19 15:39:16

SAW tin or what ever, it doesn't alter the fact that as an Objective 1 area, Cornwall has benefited massively from EU funding over the years.

Jabberwok Wed 16-Jan-19 15:35:30

Hear hear lemon. How sad Grandad that you find fighting the second W.W a subject for merriment! Even sadder that your colleagues who no doubt have little or no knowledge of that war equally find it a subject for amusement. Presumably the loss of life, the suffering, and devastation, the heroism ( do any of you know the meaning of that word?) of VERY young men and women make the whole episode so hysterically funny that you'll all be giggling for weeks!!

PECS Wed 16-Jan-19 15:27:37

I am sure we will leave but I truly think the majority of people will regret the long term changes that leaving will bring.
I really hope I am wrong as I want a positive and harmonious future for my SC and the DGC.

I would vote to remain again.

Momof3 Wed 16-Jan-19 15:26:51

What so even if the result is a catastrophe for the U.K. you are quite happily leave.

Momof3 Wed 16-Jan-19 15:25:37

I meant to say it will not be a disaster for the EU

Momof3 Wed 16-Jan-19 15:25:07

The Eu don’t care they’ve made it clear that they will not be renegotiating every credible economic expert and the world have said leaving with no deal is a disaster for the U.K. or the EU

singingnutty Wed 16-Jan-19 15:23:58

We are not usually very 'politically' inclined, but OH and I have been watching the Parliament channel over the last few days and have just watched Teresa May speaking following the vote of no confidence today made by Jeremy Corbyn (who spoke first to introduce it). It's unlikely to be accepted of course and who would want to be PM in place of Teresa at the moment? We both voted Remain, and haven't changed our minds, but just cannot believe the total shambles as stated by the OP. Unless representatives from all factions get round the table ASAP we will be leaving without a deal and that would be a catastrophe.

muffinthemoo Wed 16-Jan-19 15:23:28

Personally I have always found the best way to get to and from Gatwick is the Victoria Express

Pollaidh Wed 16-Jan-19 15:17:38

Lemongrove your comments are unworthy of Gransnet.

lemongrove Wed 16-Jan-19 15:13:23

Oh dear Grandad not that same old chestnut of sharing GN threads around your ‘office’......if there really is an office none of you seem to have any real work to do.Can’t you see that continually saying what you do is ridiculous in the extreme.If you don’t like Gransnet, there are plenty of forums with lots of men on them, no doubt chatting about manly things like fixing the guttering, the best way to get to Gatwick and football stats.

Pollaidh Wed 16-Jan-19 15:12:52

^What do you mean by "We don't have to leave .This is a democratic Country so we can change our minds".
Many of us made up our minds in 2016
We don't want to change our minds.
Just because the result does not please everyone ,it did please the majority.
We do have to leave.
That is democracy.^
Lancslass please listen to David Lammy: www.facebook.com/DavidLammyTottenham/videos/767312890292412/

Grandad1943 Wed 16-Jan-19 15:03:43

Just having a cup of coffee in the office and looked in on this thread.

Well, some threads go off topic, but this one has gone completely off the rails and down a ravine. However, fighting the second world war and Brexit in the same thread has to be hilarious to anyone who sees the topic.

I will share it round to other workstations as it will give the staff a really good laugh and a break as we are extremely busy, some of it due to companies making "no deal" Brexit preparations at huge cost.

Many thanks all who have contributed to making us chuckle.

lemongrove Wed 16-Jan-19 14:47:25

JessM I think you will find that we and our allies won the war, and that Germany and it’s allies were defeated.

Well said Urmstongran the amount of money on the side of the bus was more or less correct ( often it’s more!) but the mistake was saying it was all for the NHS.A great deal of it could be of course.

Doreen5 Wed 16-Jan-19 14:44:32

Have we forgotten how (against our will) we were forced to bail out other EU countries when they mismanaged their economies? Have we forgotten how the EU enforced laws and regulations on us that we did not want to sign up to? Have we forgotten that most of the EU member countries have never been governed democratically but by a dictatorship? Have we forgotten how little say the UK had in the running of the EU? And who will be running the EU in the Autumn? Better check that one out!

muffinthemoo Wed 16-Jan-19 14:40:40

I'm glad I saved this thread for lunchtime, this is great craic.