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ayse Tue 15-Jan-19 20:46:40

Where is the vote in the Commons going to take us next. Whether remainder or leaver, this is a disgraceful shambles!

Mycatisahacker Wed 16-Jan-19 11:53:50

I don’t sense any big change in how people would vote even if we did have a so called People’s vote.

In my circle remainders are still remainders and leavers still leavers.

What really worries me is that overturning or ignoring the referendum result will lead to a rise of the far right. And I don’t mean UKIP I mean the real far right like we see in France and Germany.

mummsymags Wed 16-Jan-19 11:52:05

These shenanigans have already cost the country £billions. The 'man in the street' says "Just get it over with" - which gives you an indication of how ill-informed 'he' is. Jeremy Corbyn is not the issue, he is the leader and servant of the Labour Party, he will obey the members. Whoever is the government blame the one before and some even tell downright lies! (eg The Labour Party caused the global financial crash!). Cry-baby Leavers need to accept that they were hoodwinked by the wide-boys who ran Project Spiv (sorry, Brexit)and be humble enough to support the no-confidence vote. We need a Labour government.

123coco Wed 16-Jan-19 11:40:18

There are 27 other countries in this union why on earth should they not think of themselves and their countries and the union Why do some people have to think that Britain has to come first !!

Blinko Wed 16-Jan-19 11:39:51

GrandmaBlue I think you'll find that in so called Objective 1 areas like Wales and Cornwall, and places like Toxteth in Liverpool, the EU have piled in massive amounts of cash over the years, to try and redress the imbalances caused by the demise of single industries in those areas; that's coal in South Wales and tin mining in Cornwall. Toxteth as we are aware required special help due to generational decline.

Here in the West Midlands, an Objective 2 area, the EU pump primed a number of significant projects between 2006 and 2013 to the tune of some £900m, when match funded amounted to something in excess of £1.2bn.

Projects included Arts, Transport, and Tourism as well as further education and inter regional exchanges.

This has been replicated nationwide. It's nonsense to suggest that the EU have funded 'nothing'.

The point is, not a lot of people know that. And therein lies the whole problem.

123coco Wed 16-Jan-19 11:39:03

Anybody with half a brain would have seen the chaos coming just because of the unpicking of 40 years of legislation

MargaretinNorthant Wed 16-Jan-19 11:36:17

Well said Lyndiloo. I am right behind you.
What I would like to , humbly, ask is this. The vote to leave or remain was open to all those eligible to vote. Of those who bothered to vote, the majority wanted to leave. The minority who bothered to vote were remain. If you didn't bother to vote at all whilst being able to, have you any right to make a fuss about the outcome, please?

Rissybee Wed 16-Jan-19 11:35:58

Yes Ayse, we can change our minds and if there is another referendum I for one will change mine. I would vote to leave and wish I had last time.

otiva Wed 16-Jan-19 11:35:43

A referendum is not legally binding it’s consultative. They chose to use the result for their own gain. They cannot face the transparency required by EU new laws.

The will of the people is an excuse and added to that many many U.K. citizens couldn’t vote. We are still waiting for our voting papers!

Blinko Wed 16-Jan-19 11:31:27

An ailing NHS, cutbacks in services, many companies owned by foreign conglomerates, railways off track, schools having to ask parents to buy books pencils etc, crumbling roads, broken borders, dirty hospitals, poor policing...?

All of this is and always was the responsibility of the UK Government whether we are in or out of the EU.

It seems to me that the UK Government (of whatever hue) has been keen to blame the EU when it has suited it, for example for a lack of border controls (under the banner of free movement of people) and for a failure to return illegal immigrants promptly to their country of origin.

In these and other instances, HMG should have taken control and didn't. If it had, maybe we wouldn't be in this mess now.

Who knows?

Grandmablue Wed 16-Jan-19 11:24:45

EllenVannin are you mad?
‘They’ have funded nothing, the UK have given Europe a HUGE amount of money from which they have given back a insignificant amount to find small projects. Hardly scraping the surface. If they weren’t given the 39 Billion in the first place, imagine how many projects they could find

Strange that your name indicates a place that will not be affected, due to not being in the EU now.

TiggyW Wed 16-Jan-19 11:24:41

Well said ‘GabriellaG54’ - we have a similar car cleaning business near us. Pity they’re not all so hard-working though. ?
Can someone answer this question please?
If we do so much trade with the EU, why is almost everything I buy made in China/Korea/Myanmar/Bangladesh, etc?

Theoddbird Wed 16-Jan-19 11:23:52

The European Union were never going to make it easy. If they did a lot of countries would be leaving. It is far from the Common Market that we joined in the 70s. They control too much of what happens in the United Kingdom. I voted out and will do again. The prime minister has had a difficult job. Those jumping ship are now after her job. This country under Corbyn's leadership would be on its knees.

Niucla97 Wed 16-Jan-19 11:23:24

We should never have had this referendum in the first place. We elect MPs to make decisions. We do not know enough of the correct facts to make such a decision. It was a democratic vote and should be adhered to.

I think never in a million years did the government expect the result so no one knew what to do. There was no plan so they have just stumbled through. The behavior of MPs in general has been disgraceful. I'm sure lots of people have lost faith in politics. I wonder if there is an election will people even bother to vote? Maybe as has been suggested do we need new blood another political party ?(couldn't be any worse.)

I really do feel for the future generation

mokryna Wed 16-Jan-19 11:22:44

Very well said Barnet

By the way before joining the EU I think I remember there were restrictions on how much holiday could be took money out of the country, will this come back into force?

Margs Wed 16-Jan-19 11:22:13

Just what are all these "options" that have popped up since Xmas? They're breeding like maggots on a corpse. None of them seem simple, make sense, or are remotely connected to the ordinary lives of ordinary people.

I thought Westminster was supposed to represent the electorate but it's turned into almost a private cosy bubble (and a bloody lucrative one!) for career politicians who only choose to notice that Mr & Mrs Joe Public exist when it's election time and they want to save their well paid arses. Even then we only become a Necessary Evil.

I wish the whole lot would be abducted by aliens......

Barmeyoldbat Wed 16-Jan-19 11:20:31

All then failures you listed GG are not the fault of the EU but this government.

MawBroon Wed 16-Jan-19 11:20:18

have it's accounts

Proofreading GabriellaG?

Predictive texting!

Chipski Wed 16-Jan-19 11:19:56

EllanVannin the EU don't have any money of their own. Money that we get from the EU is our own money (UK taxpayers). They give us back approximately 65% and keep the rest. They also tell us how to spend the 65% that they return to us.

Nanny41 Wed 16-Jan-19 11:19:31

What a mess! I sometimes feel ashamed of this mess being an ex pat, but then here is Sweden we havent had a Government for four months, they are still debating, wherever I am its a mess, so I wont say anything!

GabriellaG54 Wed 16-Jan-19 11:16:55

Would YOU give money to a business or charity which refused to have it's accounts audited, because that's what is happening when we hand over billions to the EU.
A gravy train if ever there was one.

Kim19 Wed 16-Jan-19 11:13:38

M2, I do believe I understood enough (by NO MEANS all) of the goings-on of the EU to make my decision. As for the silly bus. Who on earth believed what it said? I remember immediately thinking "that'll be right!" I guess we all had different reasons for the way we voted and not one of them is less important to us than anyone else. I think the best human attribute would be an open mind and those who have been personally convicted that they made the wrong decision have my utmost respect.

GabriellaG54 Wed 16-Jan-19 11:13:11

tickingbird
I agree with much of your comment however, there are notable exceptions.
About 14 miles from my home, just outside Guildford on the A286, a couple of lads (Romanian/Polish? not sure) started a car washing business by the roadside with buckets and cloths.
It's expanded to employ many more staff, proper signage, professional hoses etc and they do a fantastic job inside and out, much better than I've had elsewhere.
It's hard graft and determination that got them there, in all weathers and there is usually a queue a mile long.

Nannan2 Wed 16-Jan-19 11:12:02

For all who remember(i was a child) when we joined it was called 'The Common Market'-now all the hype is European union- but before we were part of it UK survived perfectly ok- even won a war or two- so i wouldnt worry too much.As for a coalition gov sarahmob-i thought thats EXACTLY what we had voted in last time?But still all of a sudden it was a CONSERVATIVE in PM's seat?-Why couldnt all 3 major parties had a turn each?And i can remember how it was last time they let a lady have a turn,so what made them think it would be any better this time round?grinAt least maggie thatcher werent a nervy woman who constantly looks "like a rabbit caught in the headlights",like Mrs may does.Fact is,ALL politicians promise all this& that then do beggar all once they get in!angry

ShellyBee Wed 16-Jan-19 11:11:15

Lyndiloo I agree with you entirely. The EC is not the trading organisation I voted for back in 1975, it has grown exponentially and to my mind into an inefficient and autocratic organisation. How can 27/28 different countries easily reach an agreement on anything? And being in the eurozone seems to have destroyed countries such as Greece. Since the Brexit vote, our politicians have created a huge mess, and I’m sure that any other PM of the past could have made better progress in negotiations with the EU.

sandelf Wed 16-Jan-19 11:09:49

Still hoping we can come eventually to a looser customs and co-operation treaty. This shouting is all part of the negotiation. Turn on a music station and look away. Or BBC World Service - this fuss is just one thing going on in a quite big world.