What next?

Very heated debate this morning. I just wonder how many people understood what they were actually voting for when they voted leave or stay?

Schoey, please tell me, in practical terms, how we stop this? I only have one vote at MPs whim. Seems inadequate and I'm frustrated but confess to feeling unequipped to turn the situation around. I have a looney solution but, unfortunately, it can't happen.

the benefits we have received?
An ailing NHS, cutbacks in services, many companies owned by foreign conglomerates, railways off track, schools having to ask parents to buy books pencils etc, crumbling roads, broken borders, dirty hospitals, poor policing...?
All great eh and fit to pass on to our children?
You must be joking.

Who can we possibly vote for at the next election?

The EU have told us that there is not another deal, this is it,
therefore Mr Corbyn and his crew won't make an iota of difference. I admit to being a remainer but respect the decision of the majority.

People didn’t vote leave just because of lower wages. People voted out for a myriad of reasons. All this trouble began when the poorer eastern bloc countries were allowed in. They’ve flooded into this country and if you saw how some people are having to live in areas of such high concentration of these immigrants you’d vote leave too. A friend of mine finally paid of her mortgage on a very modest home and now lives in a rubbish dump. Surrounded by the new arrivals crammed into houses and then moving into every house that becomes vacant. The rubbish on the road and pavement has to be seen to be believed. She has seen rats on the pavement. As for the Polish Roma - well i doubt very much you’d want to live near them. Get down off your high horses and spare a thought fir decent people whose communities have been wrecked.

Whether the EU is bad or good (and I think it could be seen as both), I doubt very much that in this globalized world, controlled largely by big corporations, we will ever really now have true 'sovereignty' (whatever that means) or be fully able to control our own borders, etc.

The popcorn makers are flying off the shelves...

Lindyloo agree entirely with you. Who will foot Jean Claude Junckers Armagnac bill if we leave?

Thank you Lyndiloo for expressing so well what i and countless others have been thinking for the last few years!

Totally agree with you, ayse. It is possible to revoke Article
50, but can you imagine this or any other government of ours taking that step? They have no idea how to proceed
and only think along party lines and what they can get out of this.
I currently still live in France as our house is not selling.
The uncertainty of the last few years has affected people
badly. If we leave without a deal , we may no longer have health cover etc etc but nobody knows.
A complete disgrace and I feel embarrassed to be British -
Sorry!

Load of rubbish Lindylou. We have gained a great deal from being in the EU and we should allow our young people to have the same benefits we have received. Whats the choice? crash out and go in with mad man Trump and all his mad ideas. I think there will be no general election and May will get a 2 year extension. In the meantime we will blunder on with no thing getting done with about home affairs and money being wasted.

Again apologies, it's this predictive text.

I’m with Lyndiloo 100%. The world does not begin and end with Europe, we will find a new way in time if everyone just stops bellyaching and work together to deliver what was voted for. Whatever happened to the British sense of FairPlay? You play a game, you lose, you move on.

It's a Kabuki Show.

With TC asking for a vote of no confidence and JC obliged just before the final curtain.

More today on another meaningless vote.

Thankfully we have a date enshrined in law to oblige us to leave in accordance with the results of the Referendum.

Lyndiloo you are so right. I couldn't agree more. The BBC just promote every negative they can find and do not give us impartial news. I met someone who was so afraid they were stockpiling food! Most of our trade is not with Europe anyway and are they really going to stop trading with us? I don't think so. It all reminds me of the fear of the millennium bug in 1999 that all our computers would crash the following year. They didn't.

Sorry meant remainders, finger slipped!

How can Jeremy Corbyn talk about the EU being flexible and open to fresh negotiations. How deluded can one get.

Lyndiloo Well said

Worse than the war years?!!!!! You have to be joking!! Nothing is worse than being bombed, our young men killed in droves, merchant ships being sunk daily with enormous loss of goods and men, battle ships and aeroplanes being blown out of the sky and sea, many many children deprived of their fathers, many many babies born without fathers, many many young women widowed and expected to manage with pittance pensions, enormous shortages both during and particularly after the war, the very real fear of invasion. Most frightening of all though was the fear of losing the war and being overwhelmed by Germany. Looking at the continent and the horrors of the occupied countries, it was a very real fear! I would suggest that you have little or no knowledge of the war, because believe you me NOTHING that is being experienced today or in the future comes anywhere close to being as awful as those war/post war years!

I totally agree with everything Lyndiloo says. I voted not to join the Common Market in 1972, I could forsee some of what it evolved to become. The EU have always been biased against the UK. Mrs Thatcher was the only one strong enough to stand up to them, Mrs May is too weak. She should have gone to the negotiation tables telling them what WE wanted if they wanted their 38 million! And if those poor deluded remainders want another vote, can we also have another vote on the 1972 decision to join??

Lyndiloo unfortunately I think you’ll find that a lot of the legislation you object to comes from our government and not the EU. So I’m not sure that having ‘our sovereignty’ will improve anything!

I don't understand what sovereignty is.

If, in my job, we don't get on and do what's decided there would be repercussions accompanied by comments of 'is the tail wagging the dog?' and 'we decide it, you make it happen'. (Any more admin people out there? ) Aren't MPs supposed to carry out the wishes of the people they represent? Imo MPs are glorified administrators but, because being an MP is such a lucrative career, they have an elevated sense of their own importance. I guess they haven't had so much to do while the EU parliament was sorting everything out for them, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't get on with it now. We surely have enough brains in Westminster to stop bickering, get on with their well-paid jobs, and find a proper solution.

With regard to the Prime Minister there surely isn't a single MP, whatever the party, who wants her job at the moment, so the vote of no confidence is another red herring.

I have heard more than one person say they voted to remain but, if there was a second vote, they would vote to leave as democracy is more important to them. I remember, as many of us surely do, this country before EU, when we voted to join a Common Market, as did other EU countries. I don't remember a vote since, or a single letter (think bank accounts) changing the T&C since that vote. Sadly, like many have said, I'm unlikely to vote again, for the first time ever, for any of our so-called representatives from any party. My personal vote of no confidence. I think the suffragettes have been betrayed by career politicians.

The main thing that annoys me is politician career building using the situation and in so doing are damaging our country. Why are we letting them do this