What next?

Not sure if I am allowed to do this - so Gransnet please delete if that is the case.........I have just set up a FB page Grannies Against Brexit. I feel I can't just sit and do nothing. If you are interested please Like and follow my page Grannies Against Brexit

For those people who say we HAVE to Leave because of the vote in 2016 - I would say it's like a marriage where one of the spouses declares they want a divorce. A year or so on, they're still picking over the details, realising how much better off they were with their spouse and decide to call the divorce off and work on creating a better marriage (more than half of divorces started are called off). We are the 6th richest economy in the world - haven't done THAT badly being in the EU?

Great post, Lyndiloo

We need to revoke Article 50 and this is legally allowed I voted remain and am still a remainer. I do not agree that we need to forge a head regardless! The majority of the population are supporting a second vote (62%) and this is across all regions even the leave supporting hot beds. We must have a second referendum with (this time) all the facts on the table and I am praying that the remain camp will win this time around ????????

The 2016 referendum was advisory. 37% of the people eligible to vote chose Leave (nearly 13m didnt vote). There was very little information available about what any of the options actually meant. How many of us in real life make decisions with very few facts or information and then stick to them no matter what. If we do is it a good thing?

Well said Lyndiloo. Quite agree

We have joined a growing list of countries now with embarrassing leaders ! Shambolic is an understatement.

The government is split, the cabinet can’t agree, divisions 50/50 throughout parliament, many families voted differently, friends too and on forums.
The vote was to Leave the EU.
Mrs. May will ensure we come out on 29 March. She won’t step down and Corbyn won’t oust her.
Those who voted Leave are hopeful and those who voted Remain are fuming.

"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive!" springs to mind !!!!

As I have said many times, there are communities in the UK where a leave vote made a lot of sense. Not all people who voted to leave are immoral and racist.

Mrs May says that she is now going to "reach out" to other parties - a little late in the day, in my view. Negotiating something as important as this should always have been a cross-party process, especially as her party are so divided on the issue.

I don’t blame any Remainers or the EU for this mess, it’s squarely at the feet of the MP’s in Westminster.Mostly, they are not prepared to accept the result of the referendum even though it was voted for at the time, and article 50 was also voted for, to trigger us leaving the EU.They are arrogant and self serving and shouldn’t be surprised if half of the elctorate never vote again.I expect T May will win the confidence vote, but think she should stand down now, after doing all she can, and let someone else in her Party take over.

The umpteenth reiteration of ill-informed nonsense lindilou.
Our laws and our borders, easy trade deals, great country - all thoroughly discredited.
Leave cloud cuckoo land and come to terms with what needs to be done to ensure that our young people enjoy the benefits that our generation had.

We keep hearing about the UKs negotiating position, we do not have a negotiating position at all, the EU has already said no more talk. Every deal comes to a point where you get to a “take it or leave it” position, we have reached that point.
Clearly any “soft brexit” involving a customs union is within the terms of TMs deal, a Norway style deal by any other name but we are not Norway. We have a vastly different economy and EFTA regulation is not going to be easy.
Will the Tories and Labour agree on a soft brexit option, it’s hard to see how, it’s not in their nature to cooperate and in any case a soft brexit is not going to be popular with voters.

We don’t “have to leave”! This is a democratic country so we can change our minds. We could have another “advisory’ referendum! The whole process is such a mess and personally I would prefer to remain. I just wish that those that apparently know better would get on with something positive and find a consensus.
It’s about time we sorted the NHS, housing, education and social care with some long term planning. Not much hope of that in foreseeable future, meanwhile the poorest in our very wealthy society are suffering. It’s a disgraceful state to be in.

We voted to leave the EU. We live in a democratic country. So we have to leave! Deal or no deal!
This 'deal' that Teresa May put forward, for many reasons, was not acceptable. And would cost us 39 Billion pounds!
It looks like the EU will not consider any other deal. "This is the only deal." The 'only deal' doesn't sound like a 'good deal' to me!
Whatever happens now, politically, is all 'up in the air'. Time will tell.
I think that we should just go for a 'no deal', and walk away. We do have other things on the table. 70 trade deal offers, world-wide. And Japan has asked us to join their 'common market' along with Australia, New Zealand and Canada. We never get to hear of these positive aspects from the BBC or other media - it's all just gloom and doom.
We'll be OK. We might have to face a couple of hard years, but in the end it will be preferable, for us, as a country to be out of the EU. We'll be better off. We'll have our sovereignty back, our own laws, control our own borders.
I don't want the UK to be a small state in a Federal Europe. I don't want a German controlled European Army (sends shivers down my spine!)
Back in 1972, we joined the 'Common Market', not expecting that it would balloon into an institution that controls almost every aspect of our lives.
And it is a corrupt organisation. Non-elected leaders, no accounts audited since 2013, money wasted hand-over-fist - not least by the trek (for 1 week) by all EMPs, plus staff, from Brussels to Strassborg, every month. (Why?)
No! We should get out. That's what we voted for.
And, for the sake of democracy, all 'Remainers' and 'Brexiteers' should now come together, and make sure that our hard-won and treasured Democracy is still a force in this great country of ours.

Was it really a democratic vote? Some didn't vote and some voted remain – so those, in total, didn't choose change to the status quo. Fewer than this total voted to leave. Quite apart from the fact that the referendum was a stupid idea in the first place, as well as being ill-informed, people were blatantly lied to.

MaizieD, I don’t very often get too involved in political debate as they can be quite challenging. However, Europe as a whole is becoming a simmering pot of resentment. This does not bode well for the future.

I think people who foresaw the problem about the Irish border saw it coming, but no one seemed to be listening...

I doubt anyone truly visualised this total chaos. I’m mindful of the allegedly Chinese curse ‘may you live in interesting times!’

Corbyn won't win the vote of no confidence. There will be no general election.

I predict that May will ask for an A50 extension, though the EU might not be minded to grant it unless for a GE or a People's Vote.

I may be accused of scaremongering

Blimey, ayse! You're well behind!

Crashing out without a deal has been mentioned from time to time for at least the last 6 months on this forum. We even had a thread about stockpiling.

Responses were predictable...

Yes, you will be accused of scaremongering

*is, not us.

Would Corbyn take hold of the poisoned chalice now he has the chance, or us that a step too far for him?
After all, he'd have to walk the walk after the the promises he's made.
He'll need plenty of good, trustworthy foot soldiers around him and get things moving pretty quickly to satisfy his followers.
What's the betting that, with Labour in the hot seat, anything that goes awry will be blamed on the mess Conservatives left. Thus, it will be years before any start is made on the NHS, railways, Police, immigration, housing, benefits and the rest.
A mountain to climb but has he got the expertise and energy to get to the top?

The people who have created much of this chaos are the remain campaigners who refused to accept the result of a democratic vote, and have used every means in their power to thwart and destroy that result.

Remain campaigners had absolutely no part in the UK-EU negotiations and Remain voices were not listened to at all by May and the government. That being so, I'm completely at a loss to understand how they've managed to 'destroy' your lovely Brexit. Was it the weekly gatherings around the Remain cauldron weaving spells and muttering curses on Brexit? Or the mass thought transference sessions which influenced the Brexit Ministers and May to act like complete imbeciles (I have to say, those worked rather well, didn't they ).

One thing which is absolutely certain, and to try to remove it would be an outrage, is that in a democracy one has an absolute right to lawfully oppose anything which one wants to oppose. Which is what Remainers have done.

Seems to me that both sides have rejected May’s deal, not just the remainders. Very few have proved willing to accept the deal ie the vote. I for one think that crashing out could result in civil unrest as food prices rise dramatically, thus the army is on standby! I may be accused of scaremongering and a worse case scenario but there are so many uncertainties with just leaving.