What next?

the multinational companies that are leaving?

I agree MaizieD but just thought it was good to put my view across to demonstrate how good we actually are. No longer the ‘sick man of Europe’.
Sometimes I think we as a country don’t credit our blue collar workers enough. It’s time to be proud of what we do well.
There is always a bigger picture. These multinational companies don’t employ British workers without good reason!

I really don't think that the UK has a monopoly on skilled workers, Urmstongran. Nor is every one of the EU member states addicted to strike action. I suspect that manufacturers who want to relocate to the EU won't find it particularly difficult to find a location that fits their specifications.

Actually, I think that Nissan really took a chance on the UK in 1986, seeing that less than 10 years earlier the UK was supposedly held to ransom by the unions...

No, Davidhs it’s not always so clear cut:

‘The Japanese car companies based their factories in the U.K. because it gave them easy access to EU markets. These same companies also have factories in many other countries for exactly the same reason - easy access.’

My husband before retirement worked for over 20 years as an engineer for an American company with a plant in Salford. At one stage the management seriously considered shutting shop and relocating to France. After several months thinking and planning, they changed their mind. It wasn’t about ‘easy access’ to the EU at all. U

U.K. workmanship was highly regarded (honestly - we really do sometimes undervalue the skill of our workers here) and they were wary of the French going out on strike (something they have form on) amongst other reasons.

These decisions are not always what they seem.

Luckygirls post suggests that France and Germany have undue influence over a lot (not all ) the others.
Of course they do because they, Germany in particular pays the bills, Southern and Eastern Europe mostly receive more than they contribute. We are also contributors we want less developed economies to get richer and buy our products which in turn expands our economy.
If or when we leave the club don’t expect those countries to look favorably on UK products even if there are not tariffs to make them more expensive. The Japanese car companies based their factories in the U.K. because it gave them easy access to EU markets. These same companies also have factories in many other countries for exactly the same reason - easy access.

Thanks

Oops! Thanks GG

MaizieD the thread in question is under TV - Inside Europe.

No, others. MaizieD
I think it was ‘can anyone explain Brexit?’

On this thread, Petra?

I can't find it.

'Some' poster keep asking why people voted to leave.
I've just read Luckygirls post on ' Inside Europe' 5/2 @ 09.47.
It says it all.

What nice posts ladies. I feel much happier now about posting views on Brexit on GN! ???
I had become a little low about some comments on the political forums and began to think I shouldn post on them any more.
I do accept and acknowledge that some of the posters on these forums are super intelligent, clever and well researched. I am nothing like in their league but I do have an opinion and one vote - just the same!

Urmston I never fall out with the friends who have different views to me, why would I? Occasionally there will be a topic we don't discuss because we know there is no point. However, none of my friends call me names or are utterly unreasonable.

Thanks Nonnie.
And thanks to all who are following Urmstongran's advice.

Thank you Nonnie. - a reasoned response. It does make such a difference to a healthy debate if none of us are shot down.
Sometimes I think we just have to agree to disagree whilst engaging in a discussion ??

Good post Caledonai14

I just want to support what Labaik said yesterday about the worry since the referendum. It wasn't too bad at first because I kept thinking people would see for themselves what a bad idea it is.

I never realised what a total and abysmal mess the Westminster politicians would make of it, to the point where we are already damaged and fearful. What scares me most is the bullishness of Leavers and their ability to dismiss every warning from every source as Project Fear, but with no earthly idea of what will actually happen...and frankly seeming not to care.

Terms like "Tick Tock", "We're leaving - get over it" and the dismissal of us as Remoaners will come back to haunt this country.

The scariest thing is the refusal to grant the electorate a say in the name of democracy. Second to that is the underlying feeling of menace against the voices of reason. Words like enemies of the people and traitors have a Trumpesque ring to them.

And whatever objections people have to being subject to the rules and guidelines of the EU, they are nothing to the abject slavery about to be foisted upon Scotland by Westminster - Tories and ineffectual Labour alike - in the name of a Brexit many of us never wanted and are ever to be denied an informed voice in until it is too late.

Don't think we can win Urmston. I don't make such judgements, well perhaps about the red tops! Rational debate seems to be unimportant to some.

That’s such a good question MarthaBeck! Perhaps ask your MP to look into it? I doubt any of us on here would have the answer.

And Nonnie I was shot down a few weeks ago by one or two thunderous posters when I put forward something from an article in The Telegraph (which I subscribe to) when the told me in no uncertain terms that The Telegraph is a Leave newspaper. In the same vein (only kinder!) I know The Times is a Remainer newspaper.

No wonder we each like what we read. ?

Simple question why did Mrs T reject regional infrastructure grants based on match funding.? Ireland, Portugual and Spain all took advantage of surpluses because UK did not take up improvements grants under Mrs T.

Very few have referred to criminal activities around Leaving. The fake News by the Mail in particular proven by independent research, the £8million donated by the Insurance magnet. The heavy overspend, the fines by the Electorate Commission. Should I go on, now the loss of key manufacturers and City firms. The Boris & co NHS false advertisement. Why do so many leavers believe this is acceptable and defend electoral crimes?

From The Times 3 days ago. I've copied the whole thing as I think you have to subscribe to read it.

[[BREXIT
Brexit: Whitehall ‘won’t cope’ with no-deal
Sam Coates, Deputy Political Editor | Rachel Sylvester
February 2 2019, 12:01am, The Times

The government is worried about the impact of unforseen issues, a report warnsDOMINIC LIPINSKI/PA
A no-deal Brexit could quickly overwhelm Whitehall, the government has admitted in papers leaked to The Times.
A document drawn up as part of a contingency plan, codenamed Operation Yellowhammer, also says the government might have to go on emergency round-the-clock footing for months after a hard Brexit.
The immediate priorities in the event of no deal will be “welfare, health, transport and security of UK citizens at home and abroad, and the economic stability of the UK”, the document says.
t is a 37-page guide to working in the Department for Transport 24/7 operations centre. “The scale of the operation is potentially enormous. If there is no deal, the impacts could be felt [and] could fall across every transport mode [and possibly each sector within wider government], and could grow exponentially as . . . the capabilities of responders at all levels decrease or become overwhelmed,” it warns.
The government is worried about consequences they cannot foresee, it adds. “Critically, it has to be understood that . . . there will be issues of unanticipated impacts that arise, or impacts which had not been fully understood.”
There will be a series of 24/7 operation centres in the event of no deal which will report to the Cabinet Office. The centres go live from March 18 after a practice run on February 27 or 28.
The document says that the Department for Transport will not be able to cope with more than two emergencies at once. The Labour MP Owen Smith said: “This report lays out in brutal detail the impact of a no-deal Brexit: it’s an economic catastrophe, and the prime minister must rule it out as an option. It would damage our country for generations.”
Eloise Todd, chief executive of Best for Britain, said: “These documents are shocking and should be a wake-up call for MPs to take no-deal off the table.”
Theresa May is also being warned by Greg Clark, the business secretary, that she must secure approval for her Brexit deal in the next fortnight or millions of pounds worth of British exports may be stuck in “limbo-land”.
Ships going to the Far East take six weeks to arrive and must label their consignments before they go, so at present they will be travelling under the EU free-trade agreements.
If the UK leaves the EU without a deal, those agreements will fall and it is unclear what the status of the goods will be. Businesses might suddenly be liable for huge tariffs, or find them in quarantine for weeks. Mr Clark says this means that a deal must be agreed within two weeks, not by March 29, to avoid disaster.
• A majority of Britons oppose leaving the EU without a deal, with less than one in five saying that it would represent a good outcome. A new YouGov poll for The Times reveals that 51 per cent think a no-deal Brexit would be a bad outcome, 18 per cent think that it would be a good outcome and 17 per cent call it an “acceptable compromise]]

Ah but Grandad it seems the idea is to trust them to do all the 'paperwork' in advance and pay the duties at a later date. That's all right then, we can rely on total honesty. No checks open boarders. That's the 'total control of our borders' people voted for! Couldn't make it up.

A no deal Brexit would basically mean an end to British manufacturing and agriculture. This is according to the economist beloved of the ERG group. Make of that what you will.

jura2, to add to your post @17:53 today, should Britain not stop vehicles coming into the country from the European Union for checks, then tarrifs could not be levied on that freight. So, the EU would collect tarrifs on freight coming from the UK while Britain would not collect tarrifs on freight from the EU.

In that, British exporters to the European Union would be at a huge disadvantage in terms of the cost of their products in the market and would very soon be out of Buisness.

The above is called "taking back control"