What next?

Has being in the EU caused you any real and positive harm, andyc?

Oh yes, calm down dearie. So you must be really pleased that they have decided that all checks on lorries and cars from the Continent will no longer be checked.

Diseased cattle, be it TB or Foot and Mouth, dangerous chemicals and drugs, arms and amunition, dogs and cats from puppy farms, wild poached animals, lots of illegal immigrants waiting in Calais and all over the EU for the opportunity - hurrah. Yes- just what you voted for, I am sure. Bravo.

Hello

it is in law ..

we will leave totally

all will be fine

looking forward to the return of GB being away from the EU..dreadful ...

majority..52. %

Yes I've been following one of the long Westminstenders threads - thought it was well informed.

I didn't post it for the quality of debate, Lazigirl. If you want quality you go to the long running Westminstenders threads. I specified my reasons for posting it at 10.28 today.

I read your Mumsnet link MaisieD and think the level of debate on here is far higher and more reasoned, on both sides. Some of the MN stuff is just posted for effect IMO. Posters here get carried away sometimes because they feel so strongly, but guess it's better than apathy.

That is only the beginning Maizie the worst is yet to come. A few weeks back someone on GN was worried that her stocks and shares ISA had gone down. I refrained from telling her it was Brexit related, just said that the FTSE had gone down.

I suggest, again, that any 'distress' Leave voters may have felt because of being in the EU can have been absolutely minimal compared to what is being felt by Remain voters whose lives and families have been directly and adversely affected by the vote to leave the EU. Also by non-British EU citizens living in the UK (often for several decades) and by British citizens living in the EU.

A lot of people say on social media [me included] that they have woken up every day since the referendum with a feeling of dread and that nothing they've seen or heard since has reassured them in any way. I do think that people who voted leave should respect the very real concerns that a lot of us have. I've been in tears reading [and hearing] comments from people living and working in this country that no longer feel valued or wanted. I worry terribly that my children may lose their jobs. My daughter is actually considering moving abroad; something that was never on the cards three years ago. A friend who has always rented here has saved up enough money to buy a small property in France and now sees years of careful planning ruined. Brexit is affecting real people in real ways and yet any concerns are just shrugged off [dare I say ridiculed] by people who think everything will be ok but have no concrete proof that that is correct. And no empathy for people being affected by Brexit.

Did you watch the Big Question on BBC1 yesterday morning (I think that is the name of the prog.) - where the effect social media has on small children, and the bullying involved- and how hard people can be on others?

It made me think that it is not only young children at risk- but older people, even the 'elderly' and in particular those who are isolated, lonely, sick, and therefore more 'vulnerable' to attack. Especially as we have not grown up with social media, and can be very naïve about its use. Some people here give detail about their situation or family which gives me real concern- never mind discussing difficult topics like politics, which affect some in real and profound ways.

I took myself off GN for over 2 months as it was just getting too much in so many ways.

Thank you for reading the link, Urmstongran. I posted it for two reasons. Firstly to show that discussions on here are far more restrained in language and attitudes to Leavers and secondly, that Brexit is causing very real pain, fear and disruption to people's lives so it's no wonder they get quite passionate about it.

I'd really like Leavers to address the second point. The great distress Brexit is causing people.

Nonnie: What is wrong with wanting facts and links please?

I think you're fighting a losing battle here. As I see it many Leave voters aren't interested in facts. For them it was a decision based on 'feelings'. Overheard on the bus the other day:" I'm sick and tired of this Brexit malarkey. Why can't we just get out?"

I am happy to admit when I have posted incorrectly (which I did a couple of days ago).

Unfortunately people from opposing points of view can read the same article and come up with a totally different idea of what is meant.

Both sides seem to be so entrenched with no room for reconciliation or meeting half way. This is demonstrated in the H of C’s daily.

I do try to stay away from personal attacks, but have on one occasion posted in defence of another poster who in my opinion was being bullied.

Urmston no one has been harsh to GG as far as I can see, we have just asked her to clarify or suggested that she is mistaken.

You posted Some of the posters are so strident it makes me hesitant about posting sometimes. It would be less daunting if it were just a discussion but the Remainers constantly want ‘facts & links’ I agree about the stridency but wonder if you are suggesting it is only from Remainers? It is not. What is wrong with wanting facts and links please? Surely that is the whole point of a discussion? Is there another way of deciding what is the right thing to do?

I read the link you supplied in full MaizieD thank you for taking the time to post it.

No, GN is, in my opinion very cutting on a personal level to any supporter of Brexit. It takes ‘guts’ as one poster challenged us to go against the flow on here.

If you think we're harsh, Urmstongran, I suggest you have a look at this:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/3495677-I-survived-1980s-recession-as-a-kid-Im-sure-Ill-survive-this?pg=1&order=

Read the whole thread to get a proper feel of how another set of people are feeling.

The Leave vote has caused a great deal of fear and worry for many many people. Fear and worry that many of them have been living with for more than 2 years now. I have no doubt that Leavers on here will dismiss this out of hand, they've also been doing so ever since the referendum, but their vote has caused very real pain. I wish they would face this.

On the other hand, being in the EU has caused no comparable pain and a Remain vote, while it might have been annoying, would not have led to such turmoil in people's lives.

I think most Remainers on here are remarkably restrained.

Can’t have facts getting in the way of a discussion ?

My default position was remain, our 5 AC persuaded me to put my cross in the leave box. I must abide by my vote, which is why I try to find the non-combative way through this shambles.
Not all the bad things that are happening at the moment are the result of the “B” vote.
Mainland Europe has an enormous amount of economic uncertainty, the European Central Bank needs constant support from Germany, when will it all implode? I personally have no idea, but I would rather the UK was not responsible for financially bailing out the Euro.

Urmstongran

No problem at all.

Oops! Sorry POGS but then it does demonstrate how very fair minded you are indeed. That’s nice.
GG I agree wholeheartedly ??

Some of the posters are so strident it makes me hesitant about posting sometimes. It would be less daunting if it were just a discussion but the Remainers constantly want ‘facts & links’ and post huge tracts which, if I’m honest, I don’t always read - they are so long!

I notice GabriellaG54 has deserted the Brexit forums and as a Leaver I miss her input ha!

I can’t decide whether to bow out myself .... some of the comments are quite harsh. ?

Urmstongran

I did not vote Leave I voted Remain.

I interject when name calling and lies are told usually but after 2 years + of the same arguments being played out on the ' copious ' amount of Brexit threads the stuck record syndrome has even bored me.

I have recently said I could possibly change my mind if there was a second referendum .

Urmstongran I am a "quiet" leave voter but, I am just utterly fed up to my back teeth of every single negative news item being credited to "Brexit"!!!!

We have lost manufacturing from the UK over the last 20+ years, so no change really.

Well GG, andy and POGS there don’t seem to be many of us Leavers on this site! You’ve held up well GG against a lot of battering - and it doesn’t help whe, when you try to put your point of view across - MaizieD comes weighing in saying:

Along come the excuses!

I wonder if there are some other Leavers reading this (some call themselves ‘lurkers’) who might like to chip in and help? These forums are like a bear garden! Not for the faint hearted, that’s for sure.

By the way, I heard on the news this afternoon that Japan’s economy is taking an unexpected hit and so Nissan we’re persuaded to make these diesel cars at home for the Asian market thereby helping their own economy in the process.

There is usually more to a story than Brexit! We do know that Brexit will be the handy coat peg for everything negative after 29 March!

My guess is that you do not live in Sunderland ac69 where the opportunity for many new jobs and apprentices have been lost? We can't be gung ho about a hard. Brexit when so many jobs may be affected.

GG and andy you obviously know more about Nissan than the boss of Nissan who clearly stated that uncertainty over Brexit was one of their reasons for not going ahead with new production.