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Is this bad news for Wales?

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Izabella Thu 17-Jan-19 12:14:32

Just noticed a news update that Hitachi have pulled out of the development of the £16bn nuclear power station on Anglesey with many jobs on the line possibly up to 300. It also has implications for the second plant at Oldbury in Glos.

Yorath0 Sun 31-Mar-19 10:35:50

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Posted March 31, 2019 at 5:19 am|Permalink
Sir John,
A most useful summary of the situation which certainly helps focus my thoughts and, dare I say it, leaves me with more optimism as regards a clean WTO Brexit.
I worry that, somehow, Mrs May will find a way to get that dreadful WA voted on once again. Over here in Australia some of my Aussie friends (not the British Expats) say “the UK look idiots on the World stage” and keep asking me “Why on earth do the British MPs not simply support Theresa May’s deal and get out of the EU once and for all?”
I ask them “Would you agree to handing, say the Chinese, total control of the Australian trade, defence and immigration polices, leaving Aussies with no say whatsoever, ad infinitum, about their decisions?” They then get it! If the offspring of convicts can understand, why can those Oxbridge educated MPs fail to do so? Perhaps it’s because the Aussies do not see their future with a first-class seat on the Euro gravy train.
Please continue your excellent work in the House and let us hope that 12th April can become a day of celebration.
hTtp://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2019/03/31/lets-rule-out-some-options/#comments

Yorath0 Sun 31-Mar-19 10:34:25

Why we voted leave
By JOHNREDWOOD | Published: MARCH 23, 2018
On 23rd June 2016 17.4 million voters told Parliament we should leave the EU.

Leave voters voted to take back control.

We voted to take back control of our money, our laws and our borders.

We voted to be a sovereign people again.

The overarching aim is to restore our freedoms

To become self governing as we used to be

We wish our Parliaments to frame our laws

To levy and spend out taxes

To make our borders safe

To award the precious gift of citizenship to those we choose to invite

We did not vote in the belief that future Parliaments will always be wise

Nor that they will always get it right

We voted to restore powers to Parliament because it is our Parliament

We can lobby and influence it

We can dismiss it and replace the MPs when they no longer please.

I find it surprising that some find it difficult to understand this overriding wish

For it is based on our long standing pursuit of freedom

It springs from our history

The history of the UK is the story of the long march of every man and every woman to the vote

The story of asserting the rule of law against all, however mighty.

We prize the gift of freedom under the law for all on an equal basis

We share an aversion to slavery

A dislike of military rule

A resistance to arbitrary government

A rejection of the patronising errors of elites

A distaste for overmighty bureaucracies cramping our freedoms

A belief that we should be free to do whatever we please unless the laws prevents it

The signposts to democracy run through Magna Carta to the first Parliaments

From the 1660 settlement to the Glorious Revolution

From the Great Reform Act to the triumph of the suffragettes

We carelessly lost some of these freedoms,

casting away much of the power of our vote and voice

by passing powers to the European Union

We allowed the EU to impose laws we did not want

To levy taxes we disagreed with

And to spend our money as they saw fit

Brexit is designed to recall those lost powers

hTtp://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2018/03/23/why-we-voted-leave/

Davidhs Tue 22-Jan-19 09:08:07

I have particularly strong views about strategic industries and resources. We are a rich well developed country and we should build and control our own power supply and essential industries.

The Japanese in the case of Anglesey and Chinese for Somerset have no ability or technology that we don’t have in the UK it is just a short term cash saving dodge that will cost us more in the future. Our water, gas and electricity supplies have also been sold to foreign companies, we should retain ownership of all core industries.

Having decided we do need Nuclear power, giving control to China in particular, a potential enemy is plain stupid, they only have to put a bug in the control system to turn the lights off.

The fact that most of our manufacturing industry is foreign owned is less important, although I regret that our spirit of enterprise is so lacking, yes, they invest in the UK but take all the profit back home. The whole aim of investing is to profit from the investment and grow the company.

Jalima1108 Mon 21-Jan-19 23:34:39

Actually, it was not about Welsh funding but about other matters.
Now, must write to him about Oldbury.

Jalima1108 Mon 21-Jan-19 23:11:16

I'd be interested to know whether your MPs have tabled any of your questions, taken on board any of your ideas re Welsh funding post Brexit
Yes, he has smile thank you for asking

MawBroon Mon 21-Jan-19 18:18:38

Presis ?
Précis presumably.

GabriellaG54 Mon 21-Jan-19 17:43:04

Many 'comments contain several links to huge tracts of someone else's hard research, not even a well reasoned presis typed by the poster.

PECS Mon 21-Jan-19 09:51:38

Pot & kettle came to mind just on reading ..why?

Eloethan Mon 21-Jan-19 09:33:54

I haven't noticed you being backward in coming forward with your viewsGabriella so your sarcasm seems rather misplaced to me.

GabriellaG54 Mon 21-Jan-19 00:43:19

If only we had all these knowledgeable GN remainer ladies in government, there would be no stopping us.
I do wonder, with the wealth of information and views bandied about on various Brexit/political threads, how leavers won the vote, whether by 1, 101 or 10001.
Quite how none of you are in office astounds me, then again, maybe some of you are past politicians.
I'd be interested to know whether your MPs have tabled any of your questions, taken on board any of your ideas re Welsh funding post Brexit, or discussed the nuclear fuel fiasco with you.
So much untapped knowledge and such a shame not to have it publicly recognised. sad

Eloethan Sun 20-Jan-19 23:37:42

Yes, a dreadful waste of all the work, time and money that has gone in to it - and so stupid.

Jalima1108 Sun 20-Jan-19 15:37:56

Backward thinking and also an enormous waste of money in researching projects which have been abandoned.

Eloethan Sun 20-Jan-19 00:19:12

I believe nuclear is environmentally dangerous.

However, if we wish to rely much more heavily on renewables and energy saving measures then we must get a move on. From my recollection, several energy saving government subsidy schemes have been abandoned, which seems very backward thinking to me.

Jalima1108 Sat 19-Jan-19 21:04:30

What is needed is some sort of back up energy source
Wave power ilovecheese - it is fairly constant.

Jalima1108 Sat 19-Jan-19 21:03:33

Is this bad news for Wales?
No

Perhaps now we will realise that nuclear is not the way to go.

Anniebach Sat 19-Jan-19 20:33:16

PECS in Wales as in England the areas which voted leave seem to have the same problems and perhaps the same reasons

PECS Sat 19-Jan-19 20:05:26

anniesmile

Anniebach Sat 19-Jan-19 20:02:36

As am I PECS

PECS Sat 19-Jan-19 20:00:18

My friends in Wales are all staunch Remainers for they recognise the benefit that has com from EU funds.

Izabella Sat 19-Jan-19 19:56:06

Thank you ilovecheese Makes sense.

Ilovecheese Sat 19-Jan-19 19:34:21

Hitachi have pulled out because nuclear power is now more expensive than any other energy and is very much more expensive than renewables.
No one could have predicted this would happen a few years ago, but it was becoming more likely when the Government cancelled the Swansea renewable energy project.

That was a very shortsighted decision, as was the decision of the Coalition Govt to cancel the loan to Sheffield Forgemakers who were going to manufacture wind turbines.

Renewable energy can't fulfill all the demand for energy in the UK, but can provide most of it. What is needed is some sort of back up energy source, but nuclear is now far too expensive and should no longer be regarded as a sensible option.

Renewable energy is now the sensible economic option, no longer a niche source.

paddyann Sat 19-Jan-19 19:31:38

Varian no one on the Brexit side will ever admit that its been succesive Westminster governments to blame for the underfunding and the neglect and mismanagement of services .Just the same as many north of the border blame SNP for all the country's problems ,even the ones that have been decades in the making.
Its a lost cause trying to explain it or to expect them to understand .Maybe when Brexit actually happens they'll see where the problems originated ..but then maybe not !Then they'll find someone else to lay the blame on.

Anniebach Sat 19-Jan-19 19:11:38

By now we all realise ?

varian Sat 19-Jan-19 18:56:57

And surely by now we all realise that poverty in Wales was caused by successive UK governments, not by the EU which acted to mitigate the damage by helping the Welsh people.

Anniebach Sat 19-Jan-19 18:52:35

May I just remind you, Wales is a country not a county.

The five council areas which voted to remain are the most affluent, Blaenau, Gwent is not, perhaps you know nothing of the poverty in Ebbw Vale ?