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Merkel clearly calling for an EU Army

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POGS Tue 22-Jan-19 16:35:30

Greyduster and Terribull

Good posts.

TerriBull Tue 22-Jan-19 16:16:31

No doubt this has been brought up before, but I don't come on to the political threads that often any more. The federalist Franco/German vision of the direction the EU intends to take is not always shared by other member states, Brexit having taken centre stage for so long tends to mask the in fighting taking place between the main players and lesser ranked countries who are beginning to show a certain amount of discontent with the directives that are imposed upon them.

From an article in today's Guardian. Luigi Di Maio, Italy's deputy PM told a rally in central Abruzzo region on Sunday "If today's people are leaving Africa, it's because some European countries with France taking the lead, have never stopped colonising African states" He called on the EU to sanction France for "impoverishing Africa" and for migrants to be taken to the southern French port of Marseilles instead of Italy.

As we know Italy is not the only country who have demonstrated that they will not be dictated to by Brussels, most of Eastern Europe do not follow directives that they feel are not in the interests of their country.

I wonder therefore with so many disparate points of view, how that will bode for a European army.

The raison d'etre of having a united Europe we are told was to prevent anymore wars on our continent, borne out of the rise of fascism in Germany and seeing how such an aggressive political movement ultimately manifested itself. I sometimes feel there is an irony in that the more federalism the EU strives for, the more nationalism rears its head and the ramifications of rampant nationalism tends not to bode well for a peaceful existence.

Greyduster Tue 22-Jan-19 15:45:46

Germany has been absorbing large portions of the Dutch army into its own command for a few years now. Germany hasn’t been in a position for some time to commit enough of its budget to expanding its own forces. They have just found another way of doing it on the cheap. The Dutch Army now has, apparently, only one mechanised brigade, plus special forces, support and headquarters staff under its own command. The rest is effectively under German command.
The French have blown hot and cold about NATO for years. They were founder members and then pulled out in 1966 because they felt that their military status was being undermined by the larger member nations. They did, however, maintain observer status (this is called having your cake and eating it) until 2014 when they recommitted their forces. One can only assume that they, too, will be happy to be absorbed by the German military amoeba eventually.

lemongrove Tue 22-Jan-19 15:03:35

A couple of the worst ones Petra ?

petra Tue 22-Jan-19 14:55:33

Lemongrove
Only 'a couple' grin

lemongrove Tue 22-Jan-19 14:44:05

Hopefully, before this happens, a few countries will come to their senses and leave the EU.

lemongrove Tue 22-Jan-19 14:42:32

Yes GG13 I have been sneered at by a couple of posters for suggesting it will happen.Am sure I can find their
Posts if they deny it.grin Of course, as Petra says, Germany will be calling the shots along with poodle Macron.

GrannyGravy13 Tue 22-Jan-19 14:22:11

Sussexborn I have also been told on this site that “an European army is nothing to fear” and that it is a figment of my imagination.

Sussexborn Tue 22-Jan-19 14:17:32

I was repeatedly told I was an idiot for believing that an EU army was being instigated. Seems a very dangerous proposition - a bit like youngsters murdering someone with a knife they ere only carrying for protection.

Does Germany feel it’s losing it’s grip on the EU and are determined to maintain it at any cost? Frightening thought!

GrannyGravy13 Tue 22-Jan-19 14:08:22

Petra I think you are correct.

petra Tue 22-Jan-19 13:58:50

Granygravy
They won't be running an army with 27 'bosses'
Germany will say jump and the others will say, how high.
I liked Marine la Penns quote on The signing of the treaty an act bordering on treason

GrannyGravy13 Tue 22-Jan-19 12:56:53

Oops "federalism"

GrannyGravy13 Tue 22-Jan-19 12:55:45

I find it frightening POGS, I am not anti Europe but I am anti the ever increasing fedarilsm which is being drip fed from Brussels.

Our fantastic armed forces have always co-operated and had joint exercises with forces from all over the world. I am extremely sceptical about the need for an European Army, who will ultimately be in control.

The EU has a reputation for being long winded and taking an age to negotiate on many things, you cannot run an army with 27 "bosses".

POGS Tue 22-Jan-19 12:46:58

Today Merkel and Macron signed a new bilateral treaty at the German town of Aachen .

Merkel and Macron are calling for more integration in the EU over subjects such as immigration, finance, taxes and defence.

There has been thread after thread that has mentioned the possibility of a European Army. Some posters have fanatically denied the possibility calling it a lie or impossibility, others have stated they believe it to be a prospect..

Junkers State of the Union Address and now today the words from Angela Merkel confirms the words of Macron they are talking of an EU Army.

Can anybody who has denied, called it a lie explain to me how the possibility of an EU Army can still be denied as a not only a concept but a reality given the voices in the EU that are behind the idea.

I wonder how the other 26 Member States will view the Aachen treaty ?