Fraudulent referendum

So, Jura, I did read your post of 10:03 correctly and you're saying it was this James O'Brien who said that we won't be able to get bananas any more.
Strange chap!!!

Now at 18:53 you are saying that bananas will be plentiful - importing them might not be so easy to import as now, for a myriad of reasons.

Can you give examples of the 'myriad of reasons' why we
won't find it easy to import our bananas from South America,
Africa, SoutEast Asia and the Caribbean.?

Do you think that we are suddenly going to forget how to import goods, after we leave the EU?

Two totally separate occasions. The 'I'll go up a mountain, climb a tree and pick some' from a caller on James O'Brien's programme came a few days after he wrote this.

Fact is, some Brexiters have been saying they don't mind not having access to fresh produce from abroad, and that it will be good to tighten our belt, eat less, and only eat British produce (a lot of this I would agree with btw, for totally different reasons).

I was of course referring to Jura 10:03

I didn't assume at all Maizie it was worded in a way that James O'Brien was saying that we would have difficulty obtaining bananas after we have left the EU.

And sometimes,in the end, some of us will turn to sarcasm, as James O'Brien did the other day on Twitter. He sarcastically said, and I can't blame him something like, 'how amazing that people who got so upset about bent bananas, are now very happy that we won't be able to get bananas anymore'.

I can only read this as James O'Brien saying it.

Eee Jura you're a one-off.
Where have you been and what have you been doing?

Thank you Maizie. Yes, of course James never mentionned bananas- the programme discussed shortages, and this man phoned him and just offered this piece of wisdom.

Of course we could discuss now that even though bananas will be plentyful - importing them might not be so easy to import as now, for a myriad of reasons.

Why do you assume that James O'Brien thinks we'll have difficulty obtaining bananas? According to jura's anecdote it was the Brexiter who mentioned them.

Of course, bananas grow on the flat, too...

Jura you do realize that bananas grow in South America,
South-East Asia Africa and the Caribbean Islands.

So quite how this James O'Brien thinks we will have difficulty obtaining bananas after we leave the EU is very strange.

Unless he is so brainwashed he believes all the above countries are in the EU.

Did you hear the Brexiter who called in to James O'Brien's show- and said 'if I want bananas, I'll just go up a mountain, climb up a tree and pick some!' - I wonder if those would be bent or straight ;)

Of course they cant give any example of “ petty little rules” and if they are so petty, why it is worth billions, thousands of jobs, a collapsing economy and so on.

Sorry, here it is. Warning, there are pages and pages and more pages.

inktank.fi/this-list-of-all-euromyths-printed-by-uk-media-proves-how-much-right-wing-press-lies/?fbclid=IwAR1SR1XJnPoXwG_bq3-hjOu0ZeAry16zon0bi1qmIQsxzePxagR6a8EdFBM

Link, jura?

Sadly, I don't think Rosie will come back to give examples, somehow.

Perhaps it is some of those, pages and pages, and more pages of them- peddled by the tabloid anti EU Press.

It’s well documented how much the British right-wing press has dedicated itself to scaremongering and anti-EU propaganda in the last 45 years. What is less well known is the sheer scale of this endless stream of lies.

Happily, last year the EU put together a marvellous site debunking these newspapers’ nonsense. Starting with falsehoods from the early 1990’s, the website has given officials in Brussels a chance to rebut media accusations and contains hundreds of reports that are based on inaccurate or misleading information.

These include legendary idiotic stories about curved bananas being banned, to the less well-known yet equally ludicrous one-size-fits-all “euro condom” story and the story of Britain being forced to get rid of pints, acres, inches, feet and pounds in favour of metric measurements.

To see for yourself how stupid they are, check out the full list below. And for all of their rebukes, head on over to the EU’s site.

With any kind of soft Brexit, be it Mrs May's deal, or the unicorn one dreamt up by JC- or the Norway style deal...
we will still be bound to accept those rules, as well as free movement ... the only difference is that we won't have any say in them. All EU rules are made with all 28- and the UK always sat at the top table - all the rules had vetoes too, so we could have stopped them if we didn't want them. Not made by unelected penpushers, but our MEPs that we voted in (sadly a large % never bothered to take part in those European elections in the UK, but that is NOT the fault of the EU. And sadly of of those voted in harly ever went and never did his job )

Day6 your post seems to imply that you think that those who voted remain are not as bright as those who voted leave.

Rosie as others have said it is what you posted on this thread that we would like an answer to please.

1. Can you give ONE example of a EU law that has harmed Britain?
2. Can you give ONE example of a EU policy that has been imposed on Britain against the wishes of the UK government?
3. Can you give ONE example of how EU membership has harmed your personally?
4. Can you give ONE example of how leaving the EU will improve the quality of life for you and your family?

RosieLeah - you yourselves wrote:

'...the EU, with its petty little rules' - and I politely asked you to give exemples of those rules you mention.

And this is hard- because, again and again- Leavers say this- and yet, again and again, when asked to specify, they never ever answer. You didn't either. And if I do ask again, you will probably say, as Leavers always do, that they are being 'bullied'. And sometimes, in the end, some of us will turn to sarcasm, as James O'Brien did the other day on Twitter. He sarcastically said, and I can't blame him something like 'how amazing that people who got so upset about bent bananas, are now very happy that we won't be able to get bananas anymore'.

But the question, questions indeed, remain - and I know, will probably remain un-answered:

which rule/s?

Since when, RosieLeah, were you put in control of the conduct of these threads?

As for the matter of Northern Ireland...if it is so important to them to have an open border with Eire, perhaps they need to ask themselves where their first loyalties lie?

For someone who claims to have lived in Ireland you show a staggering lack of understanding of the place and talk of 'loyalties' in this context has a rather ominous ring to it.

We are, incidentally, still all agog to hear about these petty EU rules which blight your life.

And now it would be interesting to know what you think of the ignorant tweet I posted earlier..

Religion much less important in ROI than NI. The influence of the church has declined so much in ROI. The recent referendums on gay marriage and abortion show that. NI far more intolerant.

Surely the topic under discussion is whether those who voted to leave were influenced by the Leave campaign? If you wish to discuss the merits of the EU, you should do so under a new heading. As for the matter of Northern Ireland...if it is so important to them to have an open border with Eire, perhaps they need to ask themselves where their first loyalties lie? Having lived in Ireland, I know that one of the main concerns is the influence of the Catholic church. Now that the Pope has less control over the Irish government, perhaps those of the North might re-consider a re-united Ireland?

www.irishtimes.com/opinion/post-brexit-britain-may-not-want-to-pay-for-northern-ireland-1.3723855
The UK exchequer provides a £10.8 billion (€12.1 billion) annual subsidy to Northern Ireland and pays £8.6 billion net each year to the European Union.
I hesitate to get involved in this debate as I’m not British, but wonder if many know that supporting Northern Ireland costs more than membership of EU?

But, Day6, I do wish you would tell us the sources of your assertions about the EU.

I'm still waiting to find out where you got the figure of £19 billion from as the UK's contribution to the EU in 2014.

I wonder if it was from a 'source' like this MP who not only seems to relish the idea of refighting WWII but also has his history completely wrong:

Daniel Kawczynski @DKShrewsbury

Britain helped to liberate half of Europe. She mortgaged herself up to eye balls in process. No Marshall Plan for us only for Germany. We gave up war reparations in 1990. We put £370 billion into EU since we joined. Watch the way ungrateful EU treats us now. We will remember.

Just read the thread where everyone puts him right. Britain got the biggest allocation of Marshall Aid in Europe.

twitter.com/DKShrewsbury/status/1091728290337959936

I wonder how many of the Leavers on here actually approve of this guy and agree with what he's saying?

RosieLeah - perhaps you are out- but I do hope you will come back and tell us about those 'petty little rules'.

It's very hard to have any sensible debate otherwise.

Nobody is suggesting that your vote wasn't valid, Day6. What is being suggested is the the referendum result is not valid because some of the Leave campaign groups cheated and broke the electoral law.

Had it been an election the result would have been declared invalid. As it was only advisory there is no recourse to the law.

No, before you point it out, I will say that I do know that George Osborne was not a leaver. He was David Cameron's sidekick and second in command, who at some point in the campaign, decided that he had to try to counter the leaver's lies with scare tactics. That misfired, didn't it because of the Tory's credibility deficit.