Union power

Grandad

" All any member has to do if that person does not like any policy of the Union is to put themselves forward for election to the various committees or conferences that make up the unions structure and fight for change. If enough other members then agree with their views, on ballot the policies will change. "
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Like Gerard Coyne tried to do when he stood against Len McClusky for the Leadership of UNITE?

Gerard Coyne was booted out of UNITE after 28 years of service / membership.

Now I know you will come back with he was found guilty of misuse of Labour data but it was widely thought the ' Power ' behind McCluskey turned it into a case of '. attack the man not the ball '.

It takes a strong man/woman to go against, even speak against ' The Establishment ' behind many Unions and probably a loosing battle .

True POGS

Oh, FGS, annie. The 'myth' relates to the widespread publicity for what were, in effect, very far from widespread effects. The one's that are always quoted as if the unions were responsible for nationwide horrors. they weren't. It was inconvenient but not universally horrific.

You're not scoring any points by trying to prove that I said it never happened.

I have always found it extraordinary that people are perfectly happy to be 'ruled' by the well off and the rich but find it horrific that the workers on whom the country depends for its smooth running ( as the 1970s strikes demonstrated), and who are the source of its wealth, should want to share in the national prosperity. And heaven help them if they should think they should have a say in how the country is run.

Maisie you said the strikes were a myth, you then said they were exaggerated by the press,

If something is as myth it didn’t happen , why can’t you say you were wrong in dismissing them as a myth .

You refuse to accept the number of strikes and the unofficial strikes gave us years of Thatcher, this was gave workers a share in the National prosperity?

And I am not trying to prove you said the strikes were a myth, read your post again.

Maizie d

You certainly hold a vision of the 70's/80's and Union activity in a different light to my recollection of that period of UK history.

I was raised in a socialist household, my father was a union activist and in elections went door to door campaigning for the Labour party. Prior to his death he told me he no longer recognised the union he fought hard for, he believed the people who began the unions would be turning in their graves if they knew how the current union leaders seemed to be more interested in gaining personal power and lining their own pockets.

I have a similar background story Old woman and others too.

What I don’t understand is anyone saying of those strikes ‘ it didn’t affect me ‘. The unburied dead in Liverpool affected me in South Wales,

Me too Oldwoman I come from five generations of coal miners, my great grandfather was a close friend of Keir Hardie, I have letters to prove the close friendship.

Hardie who was MP for my home town would never have remained silent when the unions robbed my grieving community and kept the man who could have prevented the deaths of 128 people in his post .

unions with so much power they controlled a labour government at that time.

You certainly hold a vision of the 70's/80's and Union activity in a different light to my recollection of that period of UK history.

Maybe I just read the wrong papers and lived in the wrong city, POGS

So no power cuts Maisie, ? No knowledge of Callaghan losing the election 1979 and Thatcher moving into No 10, no knowledge of the disasterous 1983 election

Or Maizie d you have a selective memory !

Oh, do stop yapping at me you two.

I didn't say that it didn't happen and I even posted part of an article about it. The 'myth' is that it was a lot worse than it actually was. Which I have also said but it has been ignored.

Yes, I remember the coal strike, the 3 day week, the OPEC price increase for oil (driving down the M1 at 50mph), and the 'winter of discontent'. I also remember the dockers strike (except that was the 60s, sugar shortages, salt shortages, toilet paper shortages. Also the city where I lived grinding to a halt when it snowed and admonitions to share a shower or bath in the summer of '75. Perhaps you'd like to blame the unions for them, too..

I repeat part of the article I posted earlier. Please note the bit in bold:

Despite this, the legend of the winter of discontent is now set in stone, impervious even to the admission of Derek Jameson, editor of the Daily Express in 1979, that: " We pulled every dirty trick in the book. We made it look like it was general, universal and eternal, whereas it was in reality scattered, here and there, and no great problem .”

There could have been a better debate about the purpose of unions and how an equitable society is achieved. It is noticeable that the end result of 'taming the unions' seems to have led to a widening inequality gap, high levels of poverty and concentration of wealth in the hands of fewer people. Not to mention zero hours contracts, the gig economy and much more insecurity for many people in work.

I apologise if people were trying to get round to that and I've derailed the thread

I’ve only skimmed this thread so apologise if I’ve missed something but has anyone every been a Union Rep. More to the point has anyone every been a Rep in a crisis?

I was Union Rep for the NUT then later for NAEIAC for many years. I don’t recognise many of the accusations thrown at unions and their members in this thread. I do however acknowledge that some unions are or were dominated by hardliners due to the general apathy of their members. No one wanted the job usually so often that left the door open to those who saw a way to have their own little bit of power.

I met this type when my union needed to negotiate with management over redundancies and working conditions and it would have made sense for us to work with other unions. The Rep for UNITE wasn’t interested in cooperation or even getting the best deal for his members he was on a power high.

These are the types who get elected when ordinary members don’t take sufficient interest and a part in the running of their unions.

Unions are essential IMO, but so must their members be prepared to stand up and be counted and take on responsibility.

I have not critcised union members , I have critcised unions having the power to control the party they are suppose to support, big difference between supporting and controlling