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The cliff edges nearer because May doesn’t want to split party!

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Anja Mon 11-Feb-19 07:39:59

Theresa May has effectively ruled out Labour’s proposal for a Brexit compromise, stressing her objection to staying inside a customs union. “I am not clear why you believe it would be preferable to seek a say in future EU trade deals rather than the ability to strike our own deals?” she wrote to Jeremy Corbyn. The PM argued that her own Brexit plan “explicitly provides for the benefits of a customs union” in terms of avoiding tariffs, while allowing “development of the UK’s independent trade policy beyond our economic partnership with the EU”.

She accepted a customs union could potentially have delivered her a Commons majority but at the serious risk of splitting her party.

The letter comes amid a growing presumption that while May remains officially committed to putting a revised Brexit plan to MPs as soon as possible, in practice this is unlikely to happen before the end of February. Business leaders have called for quicker action, with the head of the CBI, Carolyn Fairbairn, saying the UK is “in the emergency zone of Brexit now” and the confusion will not just affect jobs and investment, but harm the UK as a long-term business destination.

Riverwalk Mon 11-Feb-19 08:02:50

This whole Brexit business came about to prevent a split in the Tory party, so nothing has changed, to quote May.

Anja Mon 11-Feb-19 08:04:27

Putting the party before the country.

Anniebach Mon 11-Feb-19 08:08:40

Corbyn is putting himself before his party and the country

Urmstongran Mon 11-Feb-19 08:27:29

Like we should listen to the CBI?

Who have a very special history of being routinely wrong about almost every major policy debate for decades!

In the late 1980s, it supported the Exchange Rate Mechanism, with disastrous consequences.

In the late 1990s, it was cheerleading for us to join the Euro, an error we mercifully avoided.

Last year, of course, it backed the Stronger In campaign, the short-term section of whose doom-laden forecasts have since proved to be untrue, and would no doubt have been even more vocal had it not been for early criticism from Vote Leave.

Perhaps it ought to be reflecting on where it has gone wrong in the past, rather than giving us the benefit, once more, of its somewhat dubious wisdom?

Anja Mon 11-Feb-19 08:29:46

Annie give it a bloody rest with the one-liners

Anja Mon 11-Feb-19 08:35:08

Those ardent leavers I have spoken to seemed to be saying they were ok with the EU when it was ‘the Common Market’ ie when we came together as a customs union.

It was everything else that evolved from there since that seems to have alientated them.

Posts I read on another thread seem to indicate that some posters thought that May’s deal actually included a customs union when it clearly did not.

If the EU will accept us leaving with such a Union and parliament will vote in favour then surely that must be the way forwards?

Urmstongran Mon 11-Feb-19 08:37:16

Gosh Anja that’s a bit harsh! 🙁

If you don’t like one liners (a) why did you post one yourself and (b) ignore them and post on my lengthier comment instead about the CBI ❗️

Urmstongran Mon 11-Feb-19 08:37:47

Sorry Anja crossed post!!

Anja Mon 11-Feb-19 08:42:33

No it’s not harsh Urmstongran

It seems that some people don’t want to debate but just want to hijack any political thread to repeat ad nauseum their own hatred. If Annie wants to contribute to the debate she is more that welcome. Tossing in her oft repeated manta does not contribute and if I said that I’m sick and tired of hearing that then perhaps you are right I’ve sunk to the same level....

Anja Mon 11-Feb-19 08:43:20

Crossed again oops!!!

Anja Mon 11-Feb-19 08:47:38

The reason I posted my one-liner was to emphasise the whole point of my OP. The part in bold is where May clearly accepts that a deal acceptable to parliament is possible BUT at the risk of splitting the party.

This is so very wrong.

Anniebach Mon 11-Feb-19 08:49:52

Thank you for your welcome to join the thread Anja but I don’t need an invite or your approval.

lemongrove Mon 11-Feb-19 08:50:01

Anja a lot of MP’s from all Parties are putting themselves and their parties ahead of the country.
I think T May is the least of these.
I think she is honestly trying both to get a deal from the EU and honour the referendum results whilst thinking of Remainers and Leavers.What a job!

Anja Mon 11-Feb-19 08:52:36

So lemongrove what do you think of the proposal of a customs union?

etheltbags1 Mon 11-Feb-19 08:54:40

Is anyone else like me ive just burried my head in the sand completely. I dont undetstand what its all about despite reading various papers and websites. I just want it over with. Whatever happens i will still have a mortgage still have my job and my lovely family. I will just have to miss out if prices rise. I have seen the pics on social media of the people with garages full of stockpiled food etc. The retailers must be loving it. Meanwhile im nice and cosy under this heap of sand

Urmstongran Mon 11-Feb-19 08:54:41

Any response to my opinion of the CBI though Anja? It was relevant to your OP.

Urmstongran Mon 11-Feb-19 08:57:23

Quite understandable ethelbags
I think a lot of the public are sick of the B word now and just want it done and dusted - in whatever form it takes!

MaizieD Mon 11-Feb-19 09:00:03

I think that both the Labour party and the tories are more than likely to split anyway. It's just criminal a shame that they have to commit the country to national suicide in the process.

Anniebach Mon 11-Feb-19 09:00:35

With you etheltbags

Anja Mon 11-Feb-19 09:04:03

Yes it is relevant. Hard to say as the CBI have got it wrong in the past, but then they’ve also got it right too. Only their mistakes get the publicity whereas successes slip by unreported.

What you are really asking is ‘would businesses (in general) suffer’ and if so would this affect not just them but us, the public, adversely?

No one knows for sure because it is all new and the only way to find out for sure is when it all goes pear-shaped. There are warning from Carney, who seems to know what he is talking about, and already 30% of businesses are making plans to move their HQ from the U.K. in the case of a no deal.

What do you think?

eazybee Mon 11-Feb-19 09:04:05

The Conservative party that I know is in despair; I don't think Theresa May gives a toss over its fate, because she Knows she is Right. She has one over-riding concern and that is to get her very poor deal, the one she 'negotiated' under the direction of Oliver Robbins in December 2017, through, and she is using every threat, every deception, every evasion she can think of to delay the vote until the last possible moment in the hope of coercing the party, and Parliament, to support her.

muffinthemoo Mon 11-Feb-19 09:05:02

Without any disrespect to ethel, who knows her own personal situation the best when she says she and her family will not be affected, I suspect that the general public are unaware/unprepared for the cascade effects of Brexit in an economic sense.

The mortgage rates wouldn't have to rise by very much for a lot of 'squeezed' families to be seriously in financial trouble. A comparatively very small percentage of jobs can be lost overall, but if concentrated in particular geographic areas, those losses can cause a lot of economic pain.

Of course, the major problem is that many of these unforeseen consequences of what is a massive economic change in circumstances will only become apparent after the fact.

I wish all gransnetters the best and hope the adverse effects are minimal.

petra Mon 11-Feb-19 09:09:53

For years I've wondered what the purpose of the CBI is?
I love it when people (like you) remember 'stuff'

Riverwalk Mon 11-Feb-19 09:10:55

Yes Urmston the public are sick of Brexit but I disagree about wanting it done and dusted in whatever form.

I think this is what T May is banking on, letting it run to the wire and then we have to settle for a bad deal to maintain her party's unity. We are leaving but should be aiming for as good a deal as possible.

People are mistaken if they think it will be all over come 29 March - I suspect negotiations for various deals with the EU and others will go on for years; a long time for heads to be in the sand.