UK politics and Russian money

MPs call for government to examine Russian influence on Brexit

news.sky.com/story/mps-call-for-government-to-examine-russian-influence-on-brexit-11640694

Pogs +1 .

jura

Not sure how why this being debated other than I asked you a question re the topic of Russian Money :-

" Remind us Jura where is your country Switzerland standing over adopting the Magnitsky Act and providing a list ? "

Did you answer?

jura

" It is totally fair for the EU to say - you are part of the Club and abide by the rules, or you leave- but you can't cherry pick. Same with any Club or Association."
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That is exactly what happened and that is my point.

Any Referendum in Switzerland, of which I believe there are many, will be worthless if the Referendum result clashes with the EU . The bi-lateral treaty between Switzerland and the EU is more important than the peoples vote in a Referendum , if it was not then the Swiss government would have enacted the referendum result to limit immigration in 2014.

POGS ' The EU trounces what the people want because they are no longer ' Sovereign ' no matter how much they think they are.

It makes a mockery of Refendums and Democracy.'

again, NO you are wrong. It was up to the Swiss to decide - they looked at what the Referendum would do to the country, and made the wise decision not to go forward with it. THEY made the decision, not the EU. They could have decided to implement and pay the un-acceptable and massively damaging price - but they chose not to. This is how Swiss Law and Government works.

It is totally fair for the EU to say - you are part of the Club and abide by the rules, or you leave- but you can't cherry pick. Same with any Club or Association.

andycameron69, a turkey voting for Christmas.

jura

" is not a question of not being able to enact the February 2014 Referendum on limiting Freedom of Movement, as agreed in our reciprocal agreements with the EU.
The Swiss Government looked at the possible consequences, for our economy, industry, innovation and research programmes, which are all EU linked, and so much more, and realised it would be folly to implement it- especially as there was a tiny majority.
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In other words the rights of the the people to hold a Democratic Referendum and expect the Government to act on their decision was overruled by the Swiss Government because of the bilateral agreements that tie Switzerland to the European Union. The EU trounces what the people want because they are no longer ' Sovereign ' no matter how much they think they are.

It makes a mockery of Refendums and Democracy.

I like the Russians alot. bring on their investment along with the Chinese and the USA into GB.

Exciting new times,, great news



fab

POGS I will not respond on things which are not relevant to Brexit. This is not the place. I am not critizing the UK Government per se- but this particular Referendum which has been proven to be fraudulent in many many ways. So I'll stick to that. You wrote:

'Indeed Switzerland does hold many Referendums but the Swiss Government cannot enact some Referendum results if the EU says ' No', ' No Cherry Picking '. '

It is not a question of not being able to enact the February 2014 Referendum on limiting Freedom of Movement, as agreed in our reciprocal agreements with the EU.
The Swiss Government looked at the possible consequences, for our economy, industry, innovation and research programmes, which are all EU linked, and so much more, and realised it would be folly to implement it- especially as there was a tiny majority.

It had the choice to implement, and pay the price on all the above - the EU didn't stop them at all. They just said 'you makes your choice, you pays the price' totally rightly and fairly- No Cherry picking has to apply to all- be it Switzerland or UK. Fair and correct.

Once again what started as an interesting political topic to discuss has ended up with the usual suspects sniping at each other.

It is said Russia influenced / hacked / used Trolls to influence the United States , German , French , Italian etc. Elections.

So why has nobody looked at the UK General Election in 2017? If Putin had an Ally anywhere in the west it could be thought certain UK politicians would fit the bill.

Good news! Theresa May has a backer for her Brexit deal. Bad news: it's Putin

www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/good-news-theresa-may-has-a-backer-for-her-brexit-deal-bad-news-it-is-vladimir-putin-1-5826720

Russian trolls sent thousands of pro-Leave messages on day of Brexit referendum, Twitter data reveals

www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2018/10/17/russian-iranian-twitter-trolls-sent-10-million-tweets-fake-news/

I really like Chicken Kiev and Vodka - am I doomed??

Michael Portillo, a staunch leaver speaks Russian.
He was also once Secretary of State for defence ?

You might have a very nice Russian neighbour, Jalima You needn't stop speaking to her unless you find she associates with Aarron Banks, Steve Bannon, Nigel Farage, Robert Mercer or Vladimir Putin.

Jalima

If she votes Tory you are doomed.

Do you remember when Corbyn was trying to deflect from his defense of Russia over the Skripal Poison's and brought up Russian Tory Donations?

As Theresa May replied to Corbyn in Parliament:-

" People should not "tar with the same brush" everyone of "Russian extraction" in the UK,"

My neighbour is Russian - should I stop speaking to her?

Conspiracy theory varian

I thought you were better than that.

Trump's first wife was born in the former Communist Czechoslovakia and his current wife in the Socialist Republic of Slovenia. Is that one way Putin pulls strings?
Oh dear, where does that place me?
We have relatives from former Communist countries.

Is Switzerland a paragon of virtue when it comes to who's /what /where money is stashed ?

I think that if we are talking about harbouring 'dirty money' POGSthen nowhere is more expert at this than Switzerland!
Didn't the original trail lead to Switzerland?

Millionaire Brexit backer Arron Banks eagerly pursued a multibillion-pound gold deal brought to him by a Russian oligarch with links to the Kremlin just months before the EU referendum, Channel 4 News can reveal.

Business associates of the self-styled “bad boy of Brexit” offered to oversee a plan to create a massive new Russian gold company, and tried to arrange a personal meeting in Moscow with key players from a state-owned Russian bank.

Mr Banks has denied that he sought to pursue investments in Russia and played down his contacts with Russian officials.

MPs from the Digital, Culture, Media and Sport committee said last year that he had given more than £8m to the Leave campaign – the biggest political donation in British history – but had “failed to satisfy us that his own donations had, in fact, come from sources within the UK”.

Banks, who has backed Ukip, Leave.EU and other Eurosceptic groups is now being investigated by the National Crime Agency over the source of his political donations.

A Channel 4 News investigation can reveal for the first time how a finance company substantially owned by Banks drew up a business pitch for a Kremlin-linked oligarch called Siman Povarenkin to merge six Russian gold miners into a single company.

Five months before the referendum, the finance company suggested that Banks travel to Russia to meet executives at state-owned bank Sberbank to hurry the deal along.

Associates of Mr Banks even identified a shell company, based in Sweden, to be used as a vehicle for the deal.

Russia experts have told Channel 4 News that the document suggests Mr Banks and his associates expected the funding to come “one way or another from the Russian government”.

Under Mr Putin’s presidency, the Kremlin has been accused of backing Brexit and launching covert operations to affect the outcome of national elections in the US and elsewhere.

A former British intelligence official said the approach to Mr Banks had the hallmarks of a Russian influence operation.

www.channel4.com/news/the-banks-files-how-brexit-bad-boy-arron-banks-was-eyeing-a-massive-russian-gold-deal

Wife of former Vladimir Putin minister is major Tory party donor. The Conservative Party received hundreds of thousands from a woman with ties to the Russian president

inews.co.uk/news/politics/who-funds-conservative-party-donor-russia-vladimir-putin-link/

Is anyone sure that is definitely not the case?

Varian

'Putin's puppets may be controlled in many ways.'

' but there may well be other means of influencing people who could help de-stabilise the West. Who knows? '
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So are you now expanding your comments and saying the Eastern European wives of Trump, Farage and Banks are possibly Russian Infiltrators and that is why they have married them?