Breakaway Labour MP’s

It is not a party

She (Ryan)went out of her way, at a crucial time, to send letters to her constituents which undermined Corbyn. Everybody is entitled to their opinion but to do such a thing just before an election was, I think, really out of order.

I agree Eloethan.
I have at work been part of teams in which one or two colleagues tried to undermine the leader. If you are to have disagreements, by my book you have them out in the open and you don't sneakily go behind peoples back sowing seeds of discontent, Corbyn might not be everyone's idea of the best leader for the Labour party, but the fact remains that he is, and he cannot lead it well if the knives are out. Internal disputes happen but they should remain internal.

No surprises that Soubry, Allen and Wollaston have joined the Remainer party either. (It is a party for Remainers. The irony of calling themselves 'independent' must have escaped them, as they haven't fought for an independent UK. They also want a second referendum but are coy about going to the polls again regarding their seats. I have no time for them at all.)

The Tory three have undermined May at every turn. Again, she may not be everyone's cup of tea but traitorous MPs out to split their own party need to ask themselves why they didn't break away or resign their seats long ago rather than defy the party line.

Both Labour and Conservatives have said they will honour the result of the referendum.

This 'new' party is pro Brussels and may well be sponsored by Blair, Branson, Soros - big businesses providing funding, and as as mentioned yesterday, maybe Israel as well.. That may be Labour paranoia but it's an interesting theory.

My sincere hope is that the breakaway MPs have dug their own political graves.

The media would love a new party now, tough on them

The breakaway bunch, including three Tories, is now being referred to as the Tiggers (Patrick Kidd). Perhaps we can look forward to much political bouncing.

Corbyn and Co are not left of centre they are the extreme far left

George Galloway is already spouting in the media, seems anti semetism claims are all lies , he wants back in the party

This will make the far left happy, get shot of Luciana Berger
And bring back georgous George

If we could edit, I’d add to my post that when I last canvassed for Labour, the consensus in former labour areas was “not while yon mons leader”. I left the party but friends and family still active tell me that hasn’t changed on the doorsteps, Jeremy is not popular.

PECS , I agree one of the legacies of the U.K. joining Bush 2s invasion of Iraq has been the growth of terrorism and the destabilisation of the Middle East. It’s one of those times when there’s no satisfaction in saying “but we said that would happen”
Blair may have been spot on centre but, I still believe better that than years of Tory misrule.

Iam I too marched, with huge numbers of others to oppose the Iraq war, it has been argued that his decision did create the increase in support for political Islam and accelerated the situation across the Muslim world.

I agree with much of your post re Blair and his legacy but by the end of his term he was not left of centre but spot on centre!

It understandably dominates any discussion on the Blair/brown government.

It certainly does and overshadows much of what was done.

What went on at Stafford Hospital is unforgiveable too.

I still think a left of centre Labour government is best.
I was not disagreeing with that, btw, just that I do not think that McDonnell et al are left of centre.
There may be many Labour MPs who agree with that sentiment.

The war in iraq was a disaster. I was one of many who campaigned and marched against it. It understandably dominates any discussion on the Blair/brown government.

I’m with posters who refer to the good things that labour government did. Sure start centres, investment in education, primary schools that changed beyond recognition, newly built community schools that incorporated family centres, midwives, Health visitors and libraries. Parents in the very deprived former mining area where one such community school was. Built expressed feelings that they mattered, they had pride in that school, got involved.
I despair when I hear Labour supporters why can only critcise and use the term Blairite as a form of abuse.

I still think a left of centre Labour government is best.


^ the NHS worked splendidly^
you didn't live in Stafford, I take it, Mycat!

Just heard Anna Soubry on R4. Her complaint about the Conservative Party being run by a cabal of hard line Brexiteers had destroyed the party as she knew it is very similar to Annies reaason for leaving Labour.

Seems both main political parties are in disarray and they all need T B to come back.. he epitomised centrist policy!

Gemini A is a company formed in Jan by Gavin Shuker. It owns and administers the Independent group website

I will not be cowed by middle England Tory supporters or Farage fans.
Farage is a dangerous man too and I don't vote Tory.

I read they are being funded by a group called Gemini A.backed bu funds from an offshore account .There is a list of the names on the post but I wont say until I'm sure its true

She is still an MP

Corbyn is incompetent and couldn't organise a booze up in a brewery
Yes, that, trisher

He's not competent enough to be dangerous but there are others around him who may be.

Maw the woman you are talking about is not still a member of the Labour party but is refusing to resign the seat.

I do admire Jess Phillips so much even though her politics are not totally mine.

I felt her pain and almost fear in her interview with Sky.

Good point Maw I’d forgotten about her!

And thanks for the clarification Annie

Maw if she is given over a year sentence she is out, if under a year then same applies as to the other MP’s,
10% of her constituents need to want her out , not 10% of a party but the constituents

Re calling by elections - what about the Labour MP currently serving a custodial sentence for lying, perverting the course of justice, texting while driving, and speeding.
She has refused to stand down!
As one of the MPs pointed out yesterday, it is the candidate’s name which takes precedence on the ballot paper, not the party.

Right thankyou Anniebach so we may well see some then

Mycat if 10% of all their constituents sign a petition there can be a By election,

OMG!!!! Is anyone listening to Jess Phillips? I think again a really principled woman and labour through and through but said ‘if you are not in Jeremy’s gang you are ignored’

Christ that’s bad.