Breakaway Labour MP’s

Absolutely ilovecheese but JC haters think they are immune from criticism

The Blairites who have decided to resign (?) have more in common with the tories than with Labour so that would without doubt work .
They haven't REALLY resigned though ,if they had they'd call by elections and let their constituents decide if they wanted New New LABOUR or were happier with a more socialist labour party ,you know like the OLD labour party

crossed posting POGS I was not referring to your comment.

Given Rowan’s Jewish heritage ab why did you ask her that insulting question about holacust denial in her family - just to get in another JC jibe? Cheap shot. I don’t know any Jews ( and that’s across the spectrum from ultra orthodox to secular) who deny the Holocaust and I would never ask them that question either. Shame on you

I think most of it's been whipped up by the media and those confusing anti-semitism with anti-Zionism POGS. Undoubtedly there will be a few racists, as there unfortunately are in all parties, and they should be expelled if this is proven to be anti-semitism. This issue has been blown up by some of the media to discredit Corbyn as other attempts have so far failed.

Anecdotally I have never experienced any anti-semitism in the Labour Party, nor has any of my family or anyone we know personally who is Jewish. That can't be said of some of our experiences in the wider world.

I used to live in Anne Coffey's constituency. I voted for her because she was a representative of the Labour Party, not for her as an individual. If she is no longer representing the Labour Party then there should be a by election, in Stockport and in the constituencies of the other six MPs.

Rowantree is perfectly correct in what she says about the confusion between zionism and anti-semitism, and does not deserve nasty little comments as a consequence of saying so.

My family are victims of the holocaust Anniebach so I hardly think I'm going to think it was exaggerated.
I'm quite sure there are people out there who think the holocaust was exaggerated, across the social spectrum and regardless of party, class or culture. However, Jeremy Corbyn is not anti-semitic. But some Jews regard anti-Zionists as anti-semitic. That is a fact.

Rowantree

Out of interest are you too of the opinion there is no problem with antisemitism in the Labour Party.?

trisher

'Apart from fuelling the very dodgy and still debatable accusations.'

There you go again, DENIAL.

' It might help if you could at least acknowledge the very delicate relationship that exists between those passionate about supporting the Palestinian cause and anti-semitism, and the uses being made of this by some people.

You won't because anti-semitism sounds so much better if you don't qualify it and acknowledge the real difficulties.'

What a stupid comment and makes out you' know ' my stance on the Palestinian situation.

You can make as many excuses and deflections away from the fact there is a problem in the Labour Party with antisemitism, bullying and harassment.

I repeat you have your head in the sand and your fingers in your ears.

Rowantree do you and your family believe the holocaust was exaggerated, a close friend of Corbyn’s does

Momentum will now move into the seven constituencies.

trisher you put it far better than I could!

Chukka may lose his seat but doesn’t mean he will regret his decision to leave the party, his principles have come first , some would sell their souls to keep their seats

There definitely should be by-elections in those constituencies. Surely the 7 knew this was on the cards.

Breaking news :
John McDonnell has just said these 7 were voted into the HoC under a Labour banner. He said they will bring by elections forward to challenge them.
Chukka May live to regret this....

But it's certainly true that many people confuse Zionism with anti-semitism.

It's perfectly possible to disagree with what Israel are doing without being deemed anti-semitic, but that is frequently not the case. My own father has been vilified many times in letters in the AJR (Associations of Jewish Refugees) because of his strong opposition to Israel's policies. Other members of my family also. It's vital that a distinction is made. Oh, and we are all of us Labour Party members and support JC as leader - apart from his stance on Brexit!

So what do you suggest needs to be done POGS do you think this very public announcement will do anything? Of course it won't. Apart from fuelling the very dodgy and still debatable accusations.
It might help if you could at least acknowledge the very delicate relationship that exists between those passionate about supporting the Palestinian cause and anti-semitism, and the uses being made of this by some people.
You won't because anti-semitism sounds so much better if you don't qualify it and acknowledge the real difficulties.
I wholeheartedly condemn any anti-semitism that is deliberately and obviously aimed at Jewish people and their rights.
However I understand that some people find it difficult to accept the treatment of the Palestinian people and may in supporting them slip into what might be seen as anti-semitism, but they do so for valid reasons. For example people have advocated boycotting M&S they do so because they believe M&S are selling goods under Made in Israel labels which were actually produced in the occupied territories.But for many this will be regarded as anti-semitic. I don't think it is anything to do with Judaism but with the Palestinaian people.

The persistent denial of anti Semitic in the LP by some people never ceases to shock me. Denial doesn’t make it not so. As for the suggestion there is a thin line between anti Zionism and anti semitism, the first time I heard that statement, it came from Jewish friends

Anniebach

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'POGS it is the easiest thing in the word to assert something without providing any evidence. Now had they said we have seen anti-semitism and X, X and X are guilty of it, I would have been much more prepared to listen to them, because then at least the allegations could be investigated. '
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trisher you have never been prepared to' listen ' over the years that Labour MP' s /Councillors et al have reported antisemitism /bullying and harassment within the party.

As for your ironic comment ' alligations could be investigated' what the hell do you think has just happened with the Jennt Formby scenario that has cemented the view that just like the Chakrobarti Report into antisemitism Labour are not doing enough to sort out the antisemetsm in the party..

Ridiculous head in the sand, fingers in the ear syndrome.

The Labour Party are investigating , well Jennie Formby is !

Baroness Shami investigated and was given a seat in the Lords for her efforts

POGS it is the easiest thing in the word to assert something without providing any evidence. Now had they said we have seen anti-semitism and X, X and X are guilty of it, I would have been much more prepared to listen to them, because then at least the allegations could be investigated. They haven't. Instead they have chosen to make a generalisation which is largely unprovable and certainly uninvestigatable. Now if there is anti-semitism and it is as wide spread as has been stated I would have thought it would be regarded as the responsibility of those who know about it to expose it and ensure it is eradicated and the perpetrators are banned from the party and posssibly prosecuted. So if there is as they allege anti-semitism and it is rife they are actually condoning it by their silence. Of course if it doesn't actually exist they couldn't out it. Either way they are failing in their public duty.
My views on if there is or isn't are largely irrelevant but I have said before there is a narrow line between anti-Zionism and anti-semitism and people cross it sometimes because of beliefs sometimes because they find it difficult to understand and the key to solving that is education.
The point is why raise it at a public meeting if they (as many of them stated) still believe in Labour values? Labour values are the grass roots party. Not McDonnel, not Corbyn, not McClusky. And if they went for a by-election they would discover if there was support for those values.

trisher

'They seem capable of making general accusations that they do not detail but which no doubt are attractive to a right wing press. Anti-semitism is rife in the party- really? Then why not name names?'
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10/10 for your persistent denial there is any such thing but you really are on a hiding to nothing.

It wasn' t just the antisemitism or Brexit stance of the Labour Leader that they felt they could no longer support was it!

So far we have had McClusky, MacDonald and Lansman giving interviews ?

As opposed to ‘the working class are saints’ perchance?