Breakaway Labour MP’s

trisher

Sorry snd I am sure you personally are sincere but you are blinkered.

As said above by posters labour has again and sgsin systematically been unable or more unwilling to deal with its racism. Yes there is far right extremism and racism across the board but that doesn’t alter the fact that labour is institutionally antisemetic. What a bloody shame. Labour was once the beacon of light for all oppressed people and a very broad church.

Now unless you worship Corbyn you are nothing! Not my words but those of the wonderful Jess Phillips.

I don’t think Corbyn is racist of course he isn’t he’s just a hopeless leader who
Hasn’t a clue and surrounded by other non leaders like Dianne.

I thought the ralley they Held, after the MPs left where Thornbury denigrated snd took the piss was totally and utterly disgraceful and the eyes of the country will see an arrogant hateful bullying bunch.
Only Tom had the sense to say he was upset rather than arrogant.

Even the Tories said the loss of their MPs was regrettable and they hoped they would return.

Labour is dead. The Labour Party I supported under Smith, Kinnock is dead.

trisher

". if there is evidence of anti-semitism in the LP then I think it will be dealt with."
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You have your head in the sand and your fingers in your ears!

Why do you not believe what is / has been reported by Labour MP's and Councillors since 2016?

I appreciate Labour is your chosen party but your defence of the Jeremy for Leader /Momentum / Labour Party over this particular subject is nothing more than defending the indefencable at times.

You keep blaming the right wing press, even Campbell now.

You keep deflecting from the issue by raising the far right, who by the way not a single GN poster has ever denied are anti-semetic.

Your personal statement on Fri 22-Feb-19 20:45:17 said it all.

" Probably the worst thing about the party under Corbyn is that the MPs are not intimidated enough because they are speaking out."

Biggest political party, most growth, highest number of votes is dying?
When did they have the highest number of votes please?

Conservative Votes – 13,667,213 318 seats
Labour Votes – 12,874,985 262 seats
Lib Dems Votes – 2,371,772 12 seats
SNP Votes – 977,569 35 seats
DUP Votes – 292,316 Seats – 10
Sinn Fein Votes – 238,915 Seats – 7
Plaid Cymru Votes – 164,466 Seats – 4
Green Party Votes – 525,371 Seats – 1

plus a large number of votes which resulted in no seats, of course.
No wonder many people want proportional representation looking at the disproportionate number of seats of Lib Dems and the SNP.

I watched as well . I presume people accept that the incidents will be dealt with by the machinery set up to do that or do they think that Corbyn should do it all himself?

I watched Tom Watson on Andrew Marr yesterday, he said he had passed a list to JC of 50 anti-semitism incidents for him to investigate?

Over all the interview looked as if he would like to become Party Leader?

Who said it would be dealt with ?

And making accusations without proof is what? Any anti-semitism will be dealt with.

The Labour Party died when momentum was formed and Corbyn became leader,

Keeping on about right wing organisations is deflecting from anti semetism in the Corbyn Momentum Party, denial again. Why not accept there is anti semetism in your party?

Mycatisahacker if there is evidence of anti-semitism in the LP then I think it will be dealt with. I doubt very much that it is connected with the attacks on Jewish cemeteries, schools and synagogues. However if someone has proof of that connection I will apologise and withdraw this post.
Incidently I didn't bring those things onto this thread. It does disturb me that so many accusations are being thrown at Labour while the very real threat of the growth of right wing organisations is ignored. These organisations are becoming much more vocal and active. They target both Jews and Muslims. Some of the announcements they make at public meetings are disgusting and threatening. I despair that they are largely ignored.
Which is why I wonder about a political agenda. It wouldn't be difficult to imagine that while we focus on scrupulously scrutinising members of the LP there are other forces mobilising. That isn't by the way dismissing allegations just wondering why they have such a high profile, when a very real attack on a Muslim school near me barely made the local (and certainly not the national) news.
Incidently is Labour dying? Biggest political party, most growth, highest number of votes is dying?

Whataboutary indeed ,

Awful whataboutary there trishet you are deflecting more than a wind farm!

Not all Jewish people mind! It’s the far right too! It’s not just us? To attack the racism in labour is attacking democracy.

See this is why labour is dying and looking very very nasty indeed!

The fact that thus far anti semitism and holocaust denial has largely been from right wingers does nothing to diminish concerns that anti semitism is on the rise in many groups and in the LP. It’s a given that no political party can prevent it but it’s no good to blame a right wing media when Labour mps and supporters identify ut

Denying racisism can be defending racism

Has anyone "defended racism"?

Defending racism for political purposes is what ?

Much denial of the holocaust is from right wing extremists and nothing to do with the LP.
Using rascism accusations for political purposes is more scary and threatens democracy.

But fennel there is denial of the holocaust .

Denying racism is feeding racism , racism is ‘scary’ it is evil

I have never understood why it exists though. From early childhood I have never understood why some people hate others because of their faith, their appearance, the colour of their skin, etc. I am by no means a religious person, so it's probably the way I was brought up, but I don't understand where the hatred comes from.

I've been talking to my husband about it, and we agree that anti semitism will always exist somewhere, though the level varies. Until the days of the Messiah when all nations will live in peace together. Psalm 117.
In the meanwhile I prefer to be in denial because it's scary, and not good to think people don't like us.

Mycat exactly so,

PECS

Can you not see that you have put the problem in a nutshell.

It’s there but it’s not that bad! Not all Jewish people mind!

And to clarify..I have never said there are not people with anti- Semetic attitudes within the Labour party.
I have pointed out that amongst people who are Jewish there is a wide range of opinion about a) the extent / problem of anti Semitism in the LP & b) the conflation of anti - Semitism & anti - Zionism & c) Israeli government attitude & policies in Gaza , West Bank & Israel.
On here it feels many non- Jews are only hearing the opinions of the anti JC group.

Agree Anniebach he won’t act as he’s hopeless.

And I don’t remember any racism being tolerated in the Labour Party under Kinnock, Smith, Blaire, Foot, Brown, milliband!

Why now? Why has it crept in now to disgrace the Labour Party.? We all know the answer to that don’t we?

trisher

Well Campbell has s massive ego so would love to think of himself that way. I loved the thick of it by the way.

I don’t think anyone has said all those of the Jewish faith think or vote the same!

Why would they? And why would anyone think that?

Seems still a bit of failing to grasp or accept the depth of the problem here as their own deputy PM said today