Breakaway Labour MP’s

POGS it's not deflection if you are going to talk about intimidation and bullying you have to look at the wider picture and ask "has it happened before?" Well yes it has. "What happened then?" Well basically all MPs were kept in check by a man who used.everything he could to keep disagreements in the party (and there were many) under control. His methods and his language are legendary. But it worked.

trisher

'POGS really do you imagine that MPs were not intimidated by Alistair Campbell? His control and manipulation of all and sundry has been well documented and yet no one left the party. Why? Because no-one dared. Hence the remark but ignore the context.'
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Context!

I don't give a fig about the deflection talking about Campbell The ' context ' is very simple to me trisher and I think the ' context ' behind your statement said it all. You referred to Corbyn not Campbell :-

'Probably the worst thing about the party under Corbyn is that the MPs are not intimidated enough because they are speaking out .'

grannypauline

'those Labour MPs who have defected were ALL in favour of recommissioning Trident '

'Also, they could be deselected because they no longer represent their local party's views on defence etc'
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In 2017 Labour were 'committed ' to Trident , has the policy changed?

Corbyn is obviously anti defence including Trident but whilst he said he personally did not agree with Trident he said he would honour the policy .

“The manifesto makes it very clear that the Labour party has come to a decision and is committed to Trident.

For years now the Corbyn supporters have blamed the right wing press for making up facts about Corbyn

It's pathetic!

Why don't you listen to the MP' instead of thinking what they say is ' hear say' , unreliable, lies, they are not being intimidated enough apparently.

From the Baroness Royall report in 2016 which revealed Oxford Labour students engaged in antisemitism Corbyn supporters have denied antisemitism became a problem for the Jeremy for Leader/Momentum Party .

Fast forward to 2018/2019 and the problem has became even more widespread and the MP's / Councillors who have experienced harassment , bullying and antisemitic attacks by ' their own side ' for the most part are demonized , not by decent Labour Members or voters but by the Corbyn supporters often new and returned to the party often .

You don't have to read the right wing press for information , just listen to the debates on antisemitism and harassment in Parliament to gain some knowledge and if you think they are
' NOT INTIMIDATED ENOUGH ' Shame on you.

POGS really do you imagine that MPs were not intimidated by Alistair Campbell? His control and manipulation of all and sundry has been well documented and yet no one left the party. Why? Because no-one dared. Hence the remark but ignore the context. You see if as you say all these MPs were so intimidated how come they could hold meetings and orchestrate such a well organised and well publcised leaving event?
As for how much intimidation, well I'm sure Alistair could tell you,

trisher

'Probably the worst thing about the party under Corbyn is that the MPs are not intimidated enough because they are speaking out. '
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You show you continue to have no grasp of what has been happening for years since the Jeremy for Leader/Momentum /Corbyn Party formed.

Or maybe your continual denial as to what the Labour MP's and Councillor's report has happened to them shows you just don't really care. I suspect by stating Labour MP's have not been ' INTIMIDATED ENOUGH' it is the latter.

Exactly how much ' INTIMIDATION ' do you consider appropriate.?

Iam64he's very popular with working class families in NE.

Iam64 it’s amazing that so many within the LP ( not you, obviously) don’t seem to realise how unpopular Corbyn really is ‘on the doorstep’.Many Labour MP’s have to plead their case to voters and say ‘vote for me not Corbyn.

Jamilia are you sure you haven’t a secret crush on old Barry
I did stipulate the bed-time story should be on a CD only Mycat!!

think I read somewhere that David Cameron is advising Theresa May on Brexit
Surely not! Do you have a link please Grandad?

Thanks trisher, you’ve answered my question.
It’s no secret I left the LP a year after jC was elected. I didn’t vote for him because I feared he’d never win an election. I don’t dispute much of our press is right wing and I wish the DF wasn’t as popular as it is. However no one makes people read that paper yet many do.
I don’t share your belief that only the right wing press will stop the LP winning the next election. He isn’t popular on the doorstep, either in the deprived former mill town, or the traditionally left leaning south manchester suburbs. He’s very unpopular amongst the Jewish community in north manchester, another group of traditionally labour voters.
What distresses me most is that either JC and his advisors don’t see this, or they don’t care. Meanwhile our public services are being decimated. I know Blair is despised by JCs supporters, I know about Pfi etc but - all those years of Tory misrule left his government having to invest heavily, that’s inevitably going to be the case if the LP ever wins power again

trisher we never agree, but I do read your posts, you have been very vocal in your views on such discussions as ‘Me To’
And any abuse of women, yet you remained silent when a poster said ‘why can’t they stand up to bullying and harassment ‘ your silence showed much

Annie you do love to take parts of a post and use them don't you? If you want an answer I suggest you quote the whole thing.

Last September Matthew Parris said on Channel 4 ‘Both parties are in the process of destroying themselves’

www.channel4.com/news/matthew-parris-on-brexit-both-parties-are-in-the-process-of-destroying-themselves

He was right.

trisher you support bullying, you said yesterday Corbyn’s party hadn’t bullied enough , that is a criticism is it not

Great post above trisher. I think I read somewhere that David Cameron is advising Theresa May on Brexit. He also wishes to return to British politics in the post of Foreign Secretary.

No wonder that the Brexit negotiations are in such a state under this Tory government.

Iam64 I support a party. The party is Labour. Labour have elected Jeremy Corbyn as leader. If there is anything I regard as a problem it is that the media have painted such a picture of Corbyn that it may be impossible to win an election with him as leader. I regard this as a problem for the country rather than a single party. If we are to be ruled by the right wing media we are effectively waving goodbye to democracy. We are also condemning the country to a series of leaders like David Cameron and Nick Clegg. Politicians without any real commitment or political idealism who present themselves well and have backgrounds that can be cleaned up, but who run away when the going gets difficult, because they care more about themselves and their careers than other people.

You see it "takes a bit of guts" to inform people of what a person stands for in life.

It takes nothing to just criticise all and sundry.

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I didn't ask if you belonged to a party Annie I asked what policies you would support and if you could post some. We all know what you don't support I have problems understanding what you do.

So you have no political opinion on any matter then Anniebach? Some may call that "sitting on the fence". That being something you have criticised others for so often as I recall.

I’d be interested in anything about the Current labour leadership that you don’t support trisher.

trisher I no longer belong to any party so do not support any party. I may make a decision at some time.

The 11 MP’s are not a party they are 11 independent MP’s, some I support some I do not.

Ah the usual "damned if you do, damned if you don't, argument Annie. Perhaps now you have resigned from the Labour party you could start posting things you do support. Like the 11 MPs who have left and are now the Independent Group, except 'Oops" they don't have any policies or ideas, just criticisms and allegations. Much like someone else.

Latest, Corbyn Momentum Party are bringing in Charlie Falconer to sort the anti semetism which was sorted out by Baroness Shami , followed by Formby , most strange as we are told there is no anti semetism in the party