Breakaway Labour MP’s

But Corbyn promised ‘ a kinder, gentler politics ‘ , a stranger to truth is Corbyn

Alistair Campbell threatened, intimidated and humiliated MPs regularly to get what he wanted.
Well, yes, that was shocking.
Especially as he was unelected.

Barry Gardner would send anyone to sleep
Lovely, though, I'd like to hear him reading me a bedtime story (only on CD!!)

Mycatisahacker there has always been and probably always will be bullying and harrasment in politics. It's often the way the whip keeps control of the party. It was at its worse under Blair when Alistair Campbell threatened, intimidated and humiliated MPs regularly to get what he wanted. Probably the worst thing about the party under Corbyn is that the MPs are not intimidated enough because they are speaking out. Under Blair and Campbell no one dare.

Mycat so true

Yes it is sad when the far left or the far right take over as they are both as racist, bullying and intimidating as each other.

Corbyn seems to inspire a nasty following on line and in RL. Like the EDL Britain first and their ilk.

Barry Gardner would send anyone to sleep

What baffles me and has done since Corbyn came into prominence

Mycat

What saddens me about Corbyn becoming party leader is the divisiveness on GN - more so than over Brexit, I feel.

Of course, the divisiveness in the country is of far more importance, but Gransnetters who used to be able to chat about other issues, perhaps not to do with politics, and agree on other issues, do not do that any more and some have even left.

I find that very sad.

Is it just me who likes Barry Gardiner's voice?
He soothes me off to sleep.

The defence posted today about anti semitism makes it so clear that corbynites here and across the country dismiss the fact, yes fact, that anti semetism was brought to the Labour Party by Corbyn Momentum ,

‘Why can’t they stand up to harrasment and bullying ‘

‘What is anti semetism ‘

I am shocked and disappointed

jalima

Yes I wondered about his ex wives

Oh my God if I see Barry Gardner I switch off. Monumental bore and a laughable grasp on any political situation.

Fennel

I thunk your statement about not being able to stand up to bullying and harassment really says a lot about your own behaviour. Absolutely shocking.

I sgree about Tom Watson he looked wmbaressed and shocked by the resignations and sad which Is a dam sight mite than the dear leader and his chancellor did.

I expect Abbott to not care as she has made many racist remarks herself and not apologised but I hope to see more labour MPs leave soon as labour have left them and us hopefully temporarily but we will see.

Going back in this thread ( Barry Gardiner) I also wondered where he was from as he has a very strange accent, unlike
Any other.Doesn’t sound remotely Scottish , a rather strangulated prissy sort of voice.

Fennel you ask why people can’t stand up to bullying and harrassment, so you ask the same of the women in ‘Me Too’
or you wouldn’t have said it about anyone , I didn’t expect anyone here to say of think that

Reading what is anti semitism brought back the filming of a training day in Momentum, the woman leading it said
‘I don’t know the definition of anti semetism !

If that is the experience of MPs in the LP then we should all be up in arms in their defence. Tom Watson spoke about it from the heart the other day and at last McDonnell admits they have not done enough. Was it because the will simply wasn't there to stamp it out?

I haven't heard similar accusations about Tory MPs. Anyone?

Or strong challenging women
perhaps that was what went wrong with his first two wives?

Racism can be quite a difficult allegation to support or refute so it has been quite a useful one to throw at Corbyn and people who are broadly in favour of many of his views.
But when it is his own MPs who are making the accusations - another one today who does not want to join the rest of the Independents - surely we should give this some credence?

When, as I heard on R4 this evening, John McDonnell admits that they have not done enough - then they cannot have done enough.

www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/shadow-chancellor-john-mcdonnell-exclusively-reveals-how-luciana-berger-was-let-down-by-labour-a4073906.html

tricher

Yes. If I was in a senior position of s company that had been publicly named and shamed regarding racist attacks and staff were leaving in droves all citing bullying and intimidation them yes that would make me incompetent.

Sorry but I listen to the sensible labour members like cooper and Phillips who are not yes women and have integrity and respect for their fellow colleagues.

It really is a shocking state labour has become.,terrible. John Smith would be horrified

16 women in the shadow cabinet Mycat. Many of them very outspoken. Are you saying they are all incompetent?
All this grouching about a "Corbyn club" sounds like the primary school girls I used to teach. "Miss xxx won't let me be in her club."

Bit of course I understand that there’s no bullying intimidation or anti semitisn in the labour party.

Recently on TV there were 2 incidents where comments were made of a racist nature by memberscof an invited panel. Neither incident was challenged by the chair/ presenter and an Asian woman and a Jewish man were left to just listen to it. Why are people not angry about that too?
Or is some racist incidents more important than others?

I wasn’t aiming my comments at any posters particularly although the excuses at his presiding over the racism in the party he leads is shocking but I really meant in RL.

As Jess Phillips a fantastic proper true labour MP said last night ‘if you arnt in the Corbyn club you are nothing’

He surrounds himself with incompetence like Abbott Butler because they hero worship him when he could pick yvette Cooper, Jess, Caroline Flint etc. Competent sensible MPs. Women who could challenge and raise his game.

I don’t think he tolerates criticism well. Or strong challenging women.

POGS why do you assume to know what my response is to racist abuse of public figures?

Ian Austin voted against an investigation into the Iraq War and for the renewal of Trident. These are facts.

The rest is hearsay or maybe press hype or it could be true. As far as the facts go - the Labour Party has changed on the above policies and I'm not convinced he has. So he might face deselection or he might feel he needs to be outside the Party anyway. This is politics!

Fennel

'why can't people stand up to so-called harassment and bullying?.

Especially if they go into politics, it's par for the course.
As on here sometimes.'
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Politicians of ANY political party colour should not accept harrasment, bullying, anti-semetic, racist violent threats, abuse etc. Nobody employed in any job should accept it.

Why should MP' s put up with being subjected to threats of rape, have threats made to their families and children because it is somehow deemed to be ' par for the course'.? That is what is happening and has reached levels that should concern everybody surely.