Honda Brexting

nonsense, we won the vote. majority out..
moan along remaining dearies..it cannot be stopped, get used to it, called democracy. and majority.

Out we go xxx

POGS Quote [ Grandad' So, according to some on this forum, the closing of the Honda plant at Swindon is all the fault of the European Union for signing a trade agreement with Japan. How dastardly can those running the EU get'
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POGS it would seem that you cannot recognise a bit of sarcastic humour when you witness it.

I thought I was the one who was always accused on this forum of no sense of humour. However, like many Brexitiers on this forum POGS, your posts these days seem to lack conviction in what they state and resort to negative personal attacks.

That is a great shame, for in the past I respected your posts and very much enjoyed the debates we have often had.

However, just like everything in Britain POGS, It would seem that Brexit is tearing every section of this nation apart.

Grandad

' So, according to some on this forum, the closing of the Honda plant at Swindon is all the fault of the European Union for signing a trade agreement with Japan. How dastardly can those running the EU get'
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You made a childish remark and when you do it is difficult to debate with you.

Your post at 18.46 was sensible and you are agreeing with points other posters have made when you answered my question by saying :-

" POGS, I am stating that the trade agreement signed between the EU and Japan has everything to do with the closure of the Honda plants in Britain and Turkey."

Thank you for replying.

are you OK muffinthemoo?

If you want to quote someone else's words put these around them, with no spaces ^^

like this (except that I hope you can't see the ^^ now)

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POGS Quote [Are you saying the Free Trade deal just signed between the EU and Japan has no bearing on Hondas decision to close plants in the UK , Turkey?] End Quote.

POGS, I am stating that the trade agreement signed between the EU and Japan has everything to do with the closure of the Honda plants in Britain and Turkey.

Honda will now be able to export vehicles into EU countries tariff-free directly from Japan. Turkey is not an EU member, and Britain will shortly be in the same position. Hence, no place in the Honda future for either of the foregoing countries.

Many other manufacturers are also viewing Britain in the above light I feel. That situation will prevail at least until a customs agreement is in operation between the UK and the European Union following Brexit.

You don’t really know all that gillybob. People have replaced the batteries in 2011 Nissan Leafs, so they are not scrap. There isn’t much to go wrong with an electric car, apart from the battery. We do know how long they last, because Nissan, for example, guarantees a battery will have at least 66% capacity after 8 years or 100,000 miles. Buses and lorries aren’t the biggest polluters, cars are. Many buses do not make long journeys. Provided you understand what you’re getting and pay the right price, a second hand electric vehicle is viable. There are enough sources of renewable power around the UK, without using dubious biomass. Yes, we need further technical development and more infrastructure, and we may use other techniques such as hydrogen power, or electric overhead cables. But it is a mistake to underestimate electric vehicles.

lemongrove they are not listening ???

Grandad do persist in your Brexit fantasies if you want to,
But the rest of us will listen to what is actually said by the
Top people in Honda and they say ‘the decision is not Brexit related’ how much clearer do you need it to be!

So, according to some on this forum, the closing of the Honda plant at Swindon is all the fault of the European Union for signing a trade agreement with Japan. How dastardly can those running the EU get.
That was reported on the local news yesterday as being one of the reasons.
Another reason given was that Honda wants to concentrate on producing electric cars - this is a long-term strategic decision and the market is much larger for electric cars in the Far East.

That was what was said, anyway.

Grandad

'So, according to some on this forum, the closing of the Honda plant at Swindon is all the fault of the European Union for signing a trade agreement with Japan. How dastardly can those running the EU get '
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Are you saying the Free Trade deal just signed between the EU and Japan has no bearing on Hondas decision to close plants in the UK , Turkey?

I do not "cut and paste" have explained the reasons why on numerous occasions, sorry Grandad. There is a lot of information out there on the WWW.

I imagine any company wishing to shed jobs will be rubbing their hands in glee at having a handy ‘Brexit peg’ to hang the blame on!

GrannyGravy13 Quote [ Grandad The Japanese Government has an extremely large influence over Japanese owned companies.] End Quote

GrannyGravy13, please can you provide links, data or media reports to substantiate your above claim.

I am not negative but I know that Electric technology is still way off the mark counterpoint. Batteries are still massive and once they are finished the vehicles are scrap. We don’t even know how long a typical battery will last yet . Would you buy a second hand one ? I wouldn’t . We are decades away from batteries suitable for the biggest polluters (buses and lorries) going long journeys . I live in a terrace where should I plug my van ? Renewable electric will not be enough to fulfill the electricity needed to power every vehicle . We already bring ships from Canada full of Biomass . Hardly efficient or environmentally friendly either .

Grandad The Japanese Government has an extremely large influence over Japanese owned companies.

Not Brexit......research deeper

Bring it on we will see where the power is.

Interesting, Denil.

Who are 'the powers that be'?

What do you have in mind to show them where the power is?

Hello happy posters, what a glorious sunny day, things are sprouting in my garden.
Honda said they are not leaving because of Brexit. So good news there.

The no deal Brexit is coming soon as voted by the majority of voters. Great future. I am excited to be free of evil EU

It is great we can all post here in such a friendly open way.

I love our democracy.

Have a great evening fellow posters, enjoy.

we lost 3,000 + when the steel works shut also lots of businesses closed who were linked to the works and this was about 7yrs ago, this new job loss isn't because of Brexit it's a bigger plan by the powers (or so they think) that be,
they want us to be a
controlled not a democratic society. Bring it on we will see where the power is.

To say there was no issues before 2016, is beyond ridiculous.
Honda have in the past closed for weeks due to the drop in car sales. They have had to lay people off and then later only took on agency staff so they could reduce staff as and when.
Any town or city you look around has empty offices and industrial unit all closing when we have been in the E.U.

GrannyGravy13 Quote [ Japan is thinking of itself, as are other countries. ] End Quote

GrannyGravy13, it is not national governments that make decisions on where large multinational companies centre their production. Those decisions are made by the multinational companies themselves purely on the basis of Economics.

Obviously, Britain is being seen as not an economically viable country for large car manufacturers to centre their production in. The foregoing judgement(s) are without doubt being brought about as the UK will not be any longer part of the largest free trading bloc in the world

So, according to some on this forum, the closing of the Honda plant at Swindon is all the fault of the European Union for signing a trade agreement with Japan. How dastardly can those running the EU get.

Perhaps then Britain should leave the European Union and not sign any trade agreements with any other country in case even more of our industry departs these shores for those we have signed agreements with.

Let us have a totally insular and inward-looking Britain which has nothing to do with all those " foreigners" whatsoever.

With these brexitiers, you could not make it up, could you.

Japan is thinking of itself, as are other countries. There is a general downturn in car manufacturing so obviously the manufacturers are going to consolidate back to their own countries, to protect their countrymens jobs.

Just read that CitiGroup are buying their premises in Canary Wharf for 1.4bn, they seem to have confidence in the UK.

What is the point of being so negative, gillybob? Most buses don’t go from Edinburgh to London. We just have to adapt, carrying on regardless isn’t an option. The electricity will come from renewables, mostly wind and solar, with a variety of storage systems and international links. Combined with load management and reduction. We just need to get on with it a lot faster.