Honda Brexting

There is one big question that the Brexitiers never seem to answer. That being, If Britain is to be such a wonderfull country to invest in following Brexit, why are these car Manufacturers not all falling over themselves to setup the new production plants for electric vehicles and hybrids here in the UK?

As opposed to the above, It would seem that many of these manufacturers (if not all) are moving out of the UK, or in the process of considering doing so.

Nothing to do with anyone’s ‘opinion’ including a worker from the Honda Plant,..... read or hear what Honda Europe Senior Vice President says ‘This is not a Brexit related issue for us’!
On the radio today he then expounded on why it was happening.
Some things may well be Brexit related but this is not no matter how much some posters wish it to be.

This man, who has worked for Honda for 24 years, sums it up very well.

www.indy100.com/article/swindon-man-lost-job-honda-swindon-sums-up-brexit-six-words-8785881

I feel for the workers, most will get jobs, but some will fail to adjust especially the older workers and lots will end up on the employment scrapheap.

It's not just 3000+ jobs, or even those who supply stuff to the factory or deliver it to other places from the factory, it's also this small businesses around Swindon whose income comes from the Honda workers buying things from them. I believe that 3.5 x the number of lay-offs is the accepted formula for people affected.

We have a good friend who works for Jaguar Land rover.A staunch remainer.Yet even he concedes the car industry is struggling because of many other factors.Rocked by the diesel emissions scandal -thanks VW.Concerns about the environment and the shift to hybrid or fully electric -which our car is and it's great.Downturn in global sales generally.We would have normally looked to get a new car this year,but decided the one we have is perfectly good and being electric much cheaper to service and we're used to the range and when to charge up.Again concerns about consumerism for the sake of it are changing some attitudes,hence a knock on effect on car sales..But the fact is the world's a changing place.Like steam trains gave way to newer technologies change happens.Meanwhile new industries come to the fore.It has just been announced today that employment is at a record high.Of course it's awful news for Honda employees , and I know first hand what facing redundancy feels like ,but surely that's some good economic news to focus on ?

Nothing wrong with electric buses at all (assuming they could drive from say Edinburgh to London with minimum stopping , which of course they can’t ) it’s where the electric is going to come from that concerns me . Biomass on ships from Canada ?

Brexit is definitely a pain in the backside.

Oh dear I have a pain in the back side.is this due to Brexit

When the E.U. signed the trade deal with Japan it made European factories surplus to requirements. They are not going to close Japanese factories and keep U.K. ones open. Japan is a country not afraid to put itself first.

I'll just leave this here.

All I can say those who think it nothing to do with Brexit are living in cuckoo land.

Nothing at all to do with Brexit, it’s been made perfectly clear that this is all about the global economy!

LET'S BLAME EVERYTHING ON ….sits me, am a remainer !! So sad to see so many job losses …..Brexit or not, the uncertainty caused by this useless UK government having NEVER had a plan, or even an idea, just silly slogans on a BUS ……. would you buy a used car, unseen, un tested, without knowing the price, the mileage, even the colour …..but you were forced to say YES or NO with no detail ? would you be daft if you did, and not see the consequences ………..case closed we all suffer

GrannyGravy13 Quote [ Look back at UK manufacturing history, it has always evolved, plants and industries close down and others open.] End Quote.

The British car manufacturing industry, its supply chain and the associated ancillary service Industries have very much been the "backbone" of secure well-paid employment in the UK since the 1960s. In that, it has secured employment in many other service industries as those workers have spent those good salaries.

Where now will Britain find such well-paid employment to replace that which is being lost. With Ford advising only a few days back that it is reviewing the future of all its production plants in Britain, and Toyota rumoured to be looking at the future of its plant in Derby I feel that the future of car manufacturing in Britain is looking very bleak indeed.

With regard to brexit having a role in the above, there is an old adage which states "there are none so blind as those that do not wish to see."

Maybe the governments could use this to push forward manufacturing of "charging stations" as we are going to need an awful lot more than we have now!!!

Amongst my peers we are all ditching diesel vehicles, we are looking at 1 hybrid and 1 fully electric vehicle.

POGS you may be right, although consumer facing companies are cautious about blaming Brexit because it alienates around half of their customers. Nonetheless no respectable economist thinks Brexit won’t damage manufacturing business here, which bodes ill for redundant Honda workers.

Closing not flooding plants!

I find the insistence some posters have of the ' facts ' not lies being spoken of.

Youc cannot help but note the persistent shouts that Leavers are/have been telling lies posted on a daily basis.

Yet here you have a clear cut case of knowing the ' truth ' ,the ' factual evidence ' and still some see Brexit as the cause!

Honda is restructuring it's production by flooding plants in the UK, Japan and Turkey.

Honda has been losing sales globally , as indeed have most car making companies.

Japan no longer requires a ' gateway ' into the EU market to sell it's products because it has ' just ' finalised a longtime negotiated Trade Deal with the EU and now Honda has No Tariffs and other benefits . If Honda had plants in other EU countries besides the UK and Turkey, say in France or Poland , they too may well be in the sad position Swindon is undoubtedly in.

The motor industry is moving to electric production and diesel cars are on the way out.

If Honda announces it is moving to other EU countries then it could well show Brexit has been the reason.

If the UK does strike a deal with the EU and Honda still moves would it still be because of Brexit?
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A statement said: "This proposal comes as Honda accelerates its commitment to electrified cars, in response to the unprecedented changes in the global automotive industry.

"The significant challenges of electrification will see Honda revise its global manufacturing operations, and focus activity in regions where it expects to have high production volumes."

Honda said under the proposed restructure, the current role of its UK manufacturing business (HUM) as a global manufacturing hub may no longer be viable.

Honda Europe senior vice president Ian Howells told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "This is not a Brexit related issue for us."

He added: "These other changes which are now coming at us globally we have to now respond to."

A big issue with the Honda news is our over reliance on foreigners running our companies. All the silly stuff about “open for business” ignores the fact that foreign owned companies have little commitment to their operations here. We need government policies that promote manufacturing businesses that are rooted here. The other undeniable Brexit issue that relates to Japan is that the Japanese now have a deal with the EU, but have every intention of giving us a worse deal. We don’t have the same clout as the largest trade bloc in the world. Oh, and our clumsy, self aggrandising politicians have offended the Japanese, just to make things even harder.

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What’s wrong with electric buses gillybob? There is a growing fleet of them in York. Also fully electric tour buses. They are cutting pollution levels in the city.

Honda made it clear in an interview with BBC radio 4 today that their decision had nothing to do with Brexit and all to do with the electrification of cars.

This is what happens when you are not self sufficient in the basics and don’t invest in your own country. Other countries hold you to ransom and always will do. No other country or business cares about us.

Look back at UK manufacturing history, it has always evolved, plants and industries close down and others open.