Are those condeming the Labour Party confusing Anti Zionism with Anti Semetism

Foxyloxy
What is your definition of anti-semetism?

If it looks like a duck, if it quacks like a duck then it is a duck, not a swan, a chicken or other else. We should not condone anti Semitism by calling it any other name.

Corbyn has tweeted a video made by Momentum, defending the Rothschilds, seems anti semites use the Rothschilds to stir up hatred angainst Jews.

When i posted about that vile wall mural, there was a post defending it and claiming it was not about Jews, a list of names were posted explaining who the figures in the wall mural were depicting, one was a Rothschild !

True Fennel, you want to defend him, I cannot

Annie - I will never agree with you on this.

Fennel Corbyn was asked to speak? He has been asked to act too. He does the former but not the latter,

Oh dear - my link about the 80th anniversary of Cable St, was meant to point out that JC is not an anti-semite. Because he was asked to speak.
But I can see it was ignored by most.

Needs to be sorted and routed out trisher , so you accept it does exist in the party

Annie what are your last 3 posts all about?

I was commenting on your list of dates and pointing out that the Holocaust was not only about the annihilation of Jews but communists too ( & homosexuals, gypsies etc... anyone in fact who did not fit the Aryan ideal) Relevant to the anti-left wing views held by some today.

I agree with your statement that racism is evil. Not sure what your first sentence means in that same post?

"Daniel L. Staetsky, a Senior Research Fellow for the Institute for Jewish Policy Research, stated in his 2017 study Antisemitism in Contemporary Great Britain: A Study of Attitudes Towards Jews and Israel that in the 1980s parts of the political left assumed strong pro-Palestinian and anti-Israel positions, and faced accusations of antisemitism in the Labour Party.[42] "

I do not post the above because I am pleased about it but simply to illustrate that there was , well before JC was Leader, anti-Semitism within the Labour Party. Just because you were not aware of it Annie does not been that it did not happen. It needs to be sorted and routed out.

Diane Abbott’s local party have passed a motion questioning institutional anti semetism.

45 votes to 35 votes, 14 abstentions, Ms Abbott didn’t speak,

Suppose like Corbyn at the wreath laying ceremony for terrorist, a case of ‘I was there but I don’t know if I was involved’

trisher

You say it you own it and I am not surprised you are annoyed your words are repeated as they were so telling.

I did not mention you by name on this thread by the way you have brought attention to yourself.

Yes I repeated your words because they sum up how some people think and how it aligns with the subject of antisemitism, intimidation , harassment in the Labour Party. You made a classic statement very much on the lines of Labour MP Chris Williams who said :-

' I have got to say I think our party's response has been partly responsible for that because in my opinion… we have backed off far too much, we have given too much ground, we have been too apologetic."

He got suspended from the party as we know.

Trisher it is quite possible to care about homelessness AND anti-anti-Semitism

....unless you believe the Corbyn myth that anyone who criticises him ever hates the poor and the sick! Talk about propoganda!

So dismiss anti semetism and concentrate on other things,
Racism is evil, fact.

What has that to do with anti semitism now PECS

2019 and anti semetism is a problem in the Labour Party,
I have never known racism in the labour before 2016

POGS I have left these useless threads so will you please stop using my posts as quotes out of context The remark you have quoted was about why there were MPs leaving the party now when none did under Blair although many disagreed with him. I would be grateful if you could at least quote me in context. As far as any reasonable or informed debate I don't expect it on here now. I will say that this continued emphasis on anti-semitism in the Labour Party in spite of all the actions that have been taken, while there are working people homeless and using food banks,while homeless people are dying and disabled people are having their benefits taken away makes me think of 1984, but Orwell was wrong, you don't need to change the language to control people, you just need to keep them distracted about something. Meantime you can do as you choose. Poor people don't matter.

Communists were some of the first victims of the Nazis because thy supported the Jewish community.

1936.

1941 was the start of the Holocaust

2016 anti semetism is on the rise again

slightly relevany - I was reading up about the 1936 battle of Cable Street and found this report of the 80th year comemmoration.:
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/sep/25/80-anniversary-battle-of-cable-street-celebrated
It mentions that it would be addressed by Jeremy Corbyn.
My father in law was there as a teenager - he was terrified.

POGS so true

When does the penny drop?

It is not antisemitic to say Israel is wrong for example when it comes to taking land it is not entitled to.

It is antisemitic to attack a Jewish person, the Jewish race as a generalisation.

Within the Labour Party for 3 years + there has been report after report by Labour MP's and Councillors of a rise in antisemitism, harassment, bullying and intimidation. The common denominator is the Jeremy for Leader/Momentum/Corbyn Labour Leadership.

The denial , the refusal to listen, watch and here the truth has been the domain of those who see it all as a conspiracy to attack their leader , Corbyn. When a poster states as she did on a currently running thread '. Probably the worst thing about the party under Corbyn is that the MPs are not intimidated enough because they are speaking out. ' you know there is a problem.

It is the Labour Party itself that has been the accuser of the rise in antisemitism within it's membership. For 3 years + Corbyn and his ' team ' who are now in control of the Labour Party have produced what is being called ' White Wash ' inquiries by Baronesse Chakrabarti and Jenny Formby . Corbyn and his ' team ' have held the trump card over the allegations of antisemitism , ' POWER '

I am no fan of Tom Watson and I have many times given my reason why but I genuinely think with the party seeing MP's ' ' at last ' having the guts to act and sit as Independents Tom Watson is also acting on his own views and condemnation of what he has said over the years with regard to Antisemitism and bullying within the Labour Party.

There is a disconnect between the far left and the centre left/centre of Labour and that has been the case for decades. The return to the far left / Marxist Corbyn Leadership of the Labour Party and it's new and return membership has changed the soul of Labour and that is what is at the heart of the matter and when the ' POWER ' shifted to the far left what followed was a rise in antisemitism, intimidation, harassment and bullying.

I’m away, lucky me, with intermittent WiFi.
PECS and lemon, your posts stood out when I did a quick catch up - thanks ?

So vocal he hadn’t spoken to Luciana in two years,

So vocal he was lost for words when Ruth Smeeth was driven from a meeting distressed and being verbally abused,
But found his voice to greet the Momentum activist who had verbally abused her.

The peace maker who only speaks to one side where there is strife ?

lemongrove thank you for your reasoned response.
I have been disappointed that JC has not been more frequently vocal in his condemnation of any anti-Semitism. He has spoken out & has not ignored it. He should just say it more often. This is the JC I hoped would bring a fresh hope.

home.bt.com/video/labour-leader-jeremy-corbyn-condemns-anti-semitism-at-may-day-rally-91364057619983

Very true!

If a politician or anyone wants to further peaceful resolutions then that person needs to speak to both sides.