Are those condeming the Labour Party confusing Anti Zionism with Anti Semetism

I've wanted to say this for some time- I totally agree there is a very thin line.

You are wrong, does calling a woman ‘ a Jew Whore’ and telling her she needs shagging and strangling at the same time’ mean just a defence of Palestine ? Or telling a Jew f**k off to your tribe in Israel is a defence of Palastine ?

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I think the State of Israels get out of jail card is nearing its end.They cant use the horrors of WW11 as an excuse for treating others badly for ever .Thats NOT anti semitic as I have jewish friends who believe the same .The USA and the UN need to man up and sort them out .

Yes, in my opinion you are correct Joelsnan.
Using extreme examples of anti semitism from anonymous sources in order to say there is never any confusion between the two things is just silly.

I would agree that there is a very thin line between anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism and there is in the minds of some confusion in regard to differentiating between the two. However, to state that the foregoing is the sole of the problem within the Labour party would be wrong, as there are "a number" in the party who without a doubt are anti-semitic.

In the above, Jenny Formby "laid the problem firmly on the line" to Labours National Executive Committee in stating that the party has a membership of over half a million and is the largest political organisation in Europe. The Labour movement in the Country has a total Membership of six million through the trades unions, with many individual union branches using their funds to affiliate to district and constituency Labour parties. In that way, those trade union members also speak out with their views at meetings etc as affiliated members.

Therefore, what Formby started to the NEC so forcibly, was that it is impossible to police what every member in the movement states, and that is just one of the problems in being such a large organisation.

The above I feel states the problem of anti-Semitism in the Labour Party as it really is. The party also has "a residual" Blairite faction within the parliamentary party that have never accepted the changes in the movement since 2015 and have used every opportunity to undermine the leadership with these allegations. There is also the extream right-wing press in Britain that have worked in conjunction with those disgruntled MPs to maximise the impact of anti-Semitism in the public mind.

However the size of the party is the major issue in this matter, and that can be judged against the Conservative party were with a total membership of only one hundred thousand, they have not been able to eliminate Islamophobia in that organisation.

I agree that for most people they don’t understand the difference. I can’t understand why because, I have to disagree with you here Grandad1943 that to me the distinction is perfectly clear.

However, I do agree with the rest of your well thought p-out post.

Annie your link doesn’t work for me at least.

If most within the LP membership don’t inderstand the difference between anti-zionism and anti-semitism then they can’t be very bright can they?
For those who do understand the difference ( and are LP members) and are still anti-semitic, what’s their excuse?

Anniebach
Sorry your link doesn't work.

You are wrong, does calling a woman ‘ a Jew Whore’ and telling her she needs shagging and strangling at the same time’ mean just a defence of Palestine ?
I am sure, as most of those with this sentiment are exactly the ones confusing zionism with anti semetism and this would be evident if challenged.
Is there any groundswell of malicious intent by the members of the Labour Party towards the Jews of the UK, I do not see this. I do however see many people of all political pursuasions uneasy with zionist actions and intentions from Israel towards surrounding nations.

Lemongrove
Yes, I really want to understand why 'supposedly' Labour Party members Re anti semetic. What is their readoning and why do they feel this way.

Are those condeming the Labour Party confusing Anti Zionism with Anti Semetism
No

I do not mean that generally as I cannot speak for anyone else.

It’s the public at large that don’t, or won’t make the effort to understand, the difference. In particular those who are gullible and believe everything that they read in the Daily Heil.

So sorry, will try www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/28/antisemitism-open-your-eyes-jeremy-corbyn-labour

My link is to the Guardian not the Mail

Joelsnan

' I would suggest the issue within the Labour Party is actually anti zionism and not anti semitism am I wrong?

Yes.

Is that article by the same Segalov who last September Segalov wrote: “As a Jewish Labour member, I'm sick of antisemitism being used as a political weapon against Jeremy Corbyn”.

He went on:

“It’s the left, and Corbyn’s supporters, who’ve put their bodies on the line time and time again to protect us from these racist organisations.

POGS
Can you please explain why you consider my statement wrong. I am very interested to understand how and why there is anti semetism and how this is manifested.

Anja, I tried to put the wall mural on without the writing, it wouldn’t work.

I wanted to put only the mural on in the hope some would give their opinion on it, you choose to ignore the wall mural , why?

I’ve never seen the wall mural. And as I’ve answered your question Annie could you please return the favour and answer mine?

The wall mural is in the link, I hope you are not going to say you didn’t see it.

I have no idea who wrote the article

To be honest I skipped past that to read the article in the link you posted which was by Mike Segalov.

I think it’s fair to say that Corbyn was embroiled in row after conceding he was wrong to support a graffiti artist whose “offensive” work was scrubbed off a wall in London’s East End in 2012 - nearly seven years ago. Is that the same wall you are talking about.,

Anniebach
The Guardian article appears a bit far fetched to assume the graphics content is anti Semitic. The image has been around for decades and was used to demonstrate the greed of the elite (Freemasons and others) at the expense of the poor working class. Capitalism at its finest. Knowing this I cannot see any anti Semitic message within, however I suppose that the writer has to make a point and does so by referring to the shape of the ‘capitalists’ noses.

It was Segalov who was racially abused on a TV panel programme recently..he was basically called the " wrong type of Jew" by a non Jew. Nobody seemed to think there was a problem with that because nobody on the panel, nor the chair challenged what was said! I think what was actually being said is 'you are not a Zionist so you are not a proper Jew. '

I got a video communication today of an elderly Palestinian woman recalling how her father and grandfather were shot in front of her by Zionist forces when she was just 8 years old

The pictue is taken from my dad's family home on Mt Carmel in about 1946.

Corbyn is no antisemite, but he displayed a lack of judgment and awareness that he – and it appears some members – need to address.