Are those condeming the Labour Party confusing Anti Zionism with Anti Semetism

So annie are you saying that Jewish persecution allows them to to now ignore the humanitarian rights of another group of human beings and treat them badly?

Considering they have been persecuted for centuries they have no cause to have faith in the human race ?

Of course not but they must comply with UN resolutions and stop the atrocities they commit daily .Its not beyond the Israeli government to find a peaceful solution that doesn't attempt to destroy the people who have lived there for centuries .Surely the very fact they have suffered so much would show them that treating others the same way is just wrong .Or do I have too much faith in the human race ?

Paddynan, no one denies the complexity, the Palestinians right to their homeland. Are you denying Jewish people any rights are you suggesting, as some do, that Israel should be blown from the face of the earth.
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It would be great if posters on all political sides agreed that the LP has a problem ( it does) and just go on to say that they sincerely hope that from now on in ....it will be severely dealt with.

THEY may hav ebelieved it to be their homeland ,but what about the pther people whose homeland it has been for centuries? We cant and shouldn't dismiss them ,they have every much as much right to live there in peace as the ISRAELI POPULATION.Thats what has to be addressed .

Pogroms Iam ? although the pigeons may not have helped.Phones and iPads eh?

I haven’t seen a single poster here who hasn’t condemned the land grab, the actions of the Israeli government towards the Palestinian people. Yet any suggestion the anti semitism is on the increase, that the LP has a problem, seems to be denied.
Israel wasn’t founded because of a religion, as one poster suggested. The Jewish people were driven from Palestine, then driven from most of the countries they arrived in. The pigeons in Eastern Europe that preceded the holocaust were already leading many Jewish peopke to believe they would on,y be safe if the returned to what the believed to be their homeland.
Like everyone here I’m sure, I’d like to see truth and reconciliation. The world seems to be moving away from peace rather than towards it.

Confusing anti semetism with anti Zionism ?

youtu.be/73IgjhNsuRw

He certainly is lemon

It’s widely accepted that all the problems with anti-semitism
Within the rank and file of the LP has mushroomed under the last few years of Corbyn’s leadership.
He is the problem.

The piece Jalima quoted did not justify you at all, Annie. Nowhere does it say that Corbyn liked the mural. That's what I'm calling you out on.

Corbyn had instead focused more on defending the artist's artistic freedom in 2012.

You can defend the 'artistic freedom' of something you dislike intensely. What is so difficult to understand about that?

youtu.be/U9aJzuLf1W0

Corbyn found this acceptable, he even greeted the chap after the meeting

the human context- quite simply.

In what context jura?

Joe bloggs doing his shopping isnt condoning it by not mentioning it

The LEADER of the labour party however IS demonstrating his own values via what he does and doesn't find acceptable within his own party!

not condemning what is happening in Palestine equates to what exactly?

Corbyn himself is careful to not be explicitly anti semetic. But his silence speaks volumes when it comes to what he will tolerate from others.

Sometimes, when you are in a position like his, leader of a group, not condemning DOES = condoning.

No. Mentioning someone's jewishness in the context of implying they aren't trust worthy or good or just "other" is antisemitic not anti zionist.

Does that help?

Jalima, read the OP, nothing to do with the mural.

Thank you Jalima as I said, I didn’t lie

PECS

'Sorry.. I do not want to keep posting but POGS you cannot separate JCs support of Palestinian rights from the accusations levelled at him as an anti-Semite.'
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I have never called Corbyn anti-semetic.!

I do however believe Corbyn does bugger all to disassociate himself from those who do make known their antisemetic credentials known or share platforms with them and as far as the complaints from within his Party are concerned I think he has shown a total lack of care.

I am supportive of Palestinian rights but I am not antisemetic because I don't hold the entire Jewish race to be at fault.

I would not refuse to share a platform with somebody for example because they are of Jewish origin because that would be antisemetic in my opinion.

So pouring sewage on villages, burning their 1000 year crops, torture, keeping kids in prison, deliberately polluting water, etc, etc, etc - that is OK- but as long as the mural does not depict it. jura
are you confusing anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism which is what the thread is about?

The mural did not depict Jewish people pouring sewage on villages etc and was nothing to do with that.

Jura

"Her conclusion is that the systematic attack of anyone who dares criticise what is happening to the Palestinians as antisemitic - is a clear STRATEGY."
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NO IT IS NOT. Only if there is an ignorance and lack of understanding of the difference between criticising a country and being racist towards the race /person of that particular country which for the Jewish people is namely antisemetitism.

There could of course be another possible 'STRATEGY' that those who completely deny antisemitism exists in the Labour Party and refuse to believe the Labour MP's/Councillors who are /have been reporting this happening try to conclude ' the systematic attack of anyone who dares criticise what is happening to the Palestinians as antisemitic - is a clear STRATEGY.'

Jeremy Corbyn, the leader of the United Kingdom’s Labor party, said he was wrong, when in 2012, he supported an artist who had painted a mural in London that Corbyn now believes is anti-Semitic.
Corbyn, whose critics say has failed to confront the proliferation of anti-Semitism in the party since becoming its leader in 2015, said on Friday: “I sincerely regret that I did not look more closely at the image." Corbyn had instead focused more on defending the artist's artistic freedom in 2012.

BBC 25/3/2018

Jeremy Corbyn was embroiled in a fresh antisemitism row on Friday after conceding he was wrong to support a graffiti artist whose “offensive” work was scrubbed off a wall in London’s East End.

In a Facebook post in 2012, Corbyn offered his backing to Los Angeles-based street artist Mear One, whose mural, featuring several known antisemitic tropes, was due to be removed after complaints.

Guardian 23/2/2018

There are lies then there are "stained blue dress" type lies - ie obfuscation, at which Corbyn is quite the expert.

Maizie I have not lied or repeated lies

You have, Annie.

You keep repeating that Corbyn liked the mural. He didn't say anything about liking it. You can see his comment. He just questioned why it should be whitewashed.

If you can't recognise that repeating what you are clearly inferring from his comment as the truth, rather than what was actually said, is lying I'm sorry. It does make it difficult to accept anything you say at face value.